CC football

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Boeing747) — Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:10:37 PST

justdoit wrote:
I was just stating my opinion, obviously we will have to agree to disagree. I did look up the record for OLSM and BR and neither have lost a home conference game in 4 years (that's as far back as Mexpreps went). Normally I would agree with you and the fact that good teams should protect their home field, but this isnt Michigan or Florida or Ohio St. These are high school kids who usually play bad when it's homecoming week (more worried about the dance) or come out flat because it's a so called lesser opponent and get caught looking ahead.

However, sometimes I believe that HS officials can call a game a certain way because they "perceive" one school to be that much better. Officials read press clippings too. I remember a story from an assistant coach on DLS's coaching staff during the year Novak ran for all those yards his senior year. During a game with...

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (justdoit) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 22:30:18 PST

I was just stating my opinion, obviously we will have to agree to disagree. I did look up the record for OLSM and BR and neither have lost a home conference game in 4 years (that's as far back as Mexpreps went). Normally I would agree with you and the fact that good teams should protect their home field, but this isnt Michigan or Florida or Ohio St. These are high school kids who usually play bad when it's homecoming week (more worried about the dance) or come out flat because it's a so called lesser opponent and get caught looking ahead.

However, sometimes I believe that HS officials can call a game a certain way because they "perceive" one school to be that much better. Officials read press clippings too. I remember a story from an assistant coach on DLS's coaching staff during the year Novak ran for all those yards his senior year. During a game with OLSM, at halftime, DLS was quite upset with some calls and the official told the assistant...

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Boeing747) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:27:42 PST

justdoit wrote:

I am not so sure I agree that Rice and OLSM are that far ahead of DLS or CC. Maybe it has something to do with home field advantage. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how often Rice & OLSM have lost a league game "AT HOME" in the past 5 years? I'm willing to argue that it rarely ever happens. Why is that? Are they that much better than everyone else (excluding DC and UofD), or is it because the refs give them every break in the book?

I went to the DLS vs. OLSM game last year and the Rice vs. OLSM game. The DLS game might be the worst officiated game I have seen in my 25 years of HS football. Rice loses the first game by 20 points to OLSM (at OLSM), but then beats OLSM at Ford Field by 31 points. It just seems odd to me that two teams can have such a swing in the score over the course of a couple of weeks (50 points?). However, on...

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:43:14 PST

I've never thought that home field made much difference, if any in high school ... aside from maybe a 10 hour drive.

Though in the CHSL it does seem that OLSM does VERY WELL at home.

I agree that there are 3 groups of teams in the Central, #1 Rice/OLSM, #2 DLS/CC, #3 UD/DC

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (justdoit) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:24:10 PST

I am not so sure I agree that Rice and OLSM are that far ahead of DLS or CC. Maybe it has something to do with home field advantage. I was wondering if anyone could tell me how often Rice & OLSM have lost a league game "AT HOME" in the past 5 years? I'm willing to argue that it rarely ever happens. Why is that? Are they that much better than everyone else (excluding DC and UofD), or is it because the refs give them every break in the book?

I went to the DLS vs. OLSM game last year and the Rice vs. OLSM game. The DLS game might be the worst officiated game I have seen in my 25 years of HS football. Rice loses the first game by 20 points to OLSM (at OLSM), but then beats OLSM at Ford Field by 31 points. It just seems odd to me that two teams can have such a swing in the score over the course of a couple of weeks (50 points?). However, on the other hand, DLS beats CC in overtime last year during the regular season and...

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Boeing747) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 01:50:53 PST

Blue wrote:

dallascarter wrote:
"Even if CC got to the level where OLSM and Rice are RIGHT NOW, they would be no where near where the program was at it's peak. "

i agree.

That said, I think I can speak for everyone here when we say CC is "back" -- we are not saying they will suddenly run off with 6 titles in the next 10 years -- but simply "back" in the mix in the CHSL, and in the state playoffs.

I still think CC and DLS are a notch behind OLSM and Rice right now.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Blue) — Thu, 13 Mar 2008 00:26:21 PST

dallascarter wrote:
"Even if CC got to the level where OLSM and Rice are RIGHT NOW, they would be no where near where the program was at it's peak. "

i agree.

That said, I think I can speak for everyone here when we say CC is "back" -- we are not saying they will suddenly run off with 6 titles in the next 10 years -- but simply "back" in the mix in the CHSL, and in the state playoffs.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 14:49:54 PST

"Even if CC got to the level where OLSM and Rice are RIGHT NOW, they would be no where near where the program was at it's peak. "

i agree.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Blue) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:15:42 PST

augie wrote:

cgonz00cc wrote:

dallascarter wrote:
so uhhhh...

if CC is so good now, why don't they have the testicles to play a west michigan team like the other manly catholic league teams? afraid they wont get the 6 wins they need so they dont miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in the past 4 years or however long its been?

when i was at CC we had a lot of trouble finding non-league opponents. there werent many teams that wanted a loss before league play started.

That really is an "old" and mis-used argument. The majority of teams that are the same size as CC are tied into league play or inter-league cross-overs (ie the OAA and MAC). I really cannot not see a single team from the...

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Blue) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:12:37 PST

dallascarter wrote:
ok gonz, but olsm, rice, and dls are all playing a team from the west part of michigan. why didnt CC get on that? no one is afraid of cc anymore as much as they fear olsm and rice. olsm still needs another team for next year and rice frequently goes out of state. cc will never be the power they used to be.

CC won 8 State Titles in 14 years in D1/Class AA, and 6 of 9 at one point. It would be very tough for CC or any team to reach the "power they used to be" status.

I would be very surprised to see them get back to that rate, but that does not mean they can't build back up to a very strong program that is competing yearly in the CHSL and D1.

Things run in cycles, it wasn't but 10 years ago that there were a lot of questions as to where the Brother Rice program was heading under AL. There was a 7 year span in the 1990's where Brother Rice...

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 11:26:33 PST

ok gonz, but olsm, rice, and dls are all playing a team from the west part of michigan. why didnt CC get on that? no one is afraid of cc anymore as much as they fear olsm and rice. olsm still needs another team for next year and rice frequently goes out of state. cc will never be the power they used to be.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (augie) — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 06:15:22 PST

cgonz00cc wrote:

dallascarter wrote:
so uhhhh...

if CC is so good now, why don't they have the testicles to play a west michigan team like the other manly catholic league teams? afraid they wont get the 6 wins they need so they dont miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in the past 4 years or however long its been?

when i was at CC we had a lot of trouble finding non-league opponents. there werent many teams that wanted a loss before league play started.

That really is an "old" and mis-used argument. The majority of teams that are the same size as CC are tied into league play or inter-league cross-overs (ie the OAA and MAC). I really cannot not see a single team from the OK Red being afraid of CC---they travel, the play in one of the toughest conferences in the...

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (cgonz00cc) — Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:39:40 PST

dallascarter wrote:
so uhhhh...

if CC is so good now, why don't they have the testicles to play a west michigan team like the other manly catholic league teams? afraid they wont get the 6 wins they need so they dont miss the playoffs for the 3rd time in the past 4 years or however long its been?

when i was at CC we had a lot of trouble finding non-league opponents. there werent many teams that wanted a loss before league play started.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Fri, 15 Feb 2008 08:34:53 PST

CC will never be as good as they used to. last year wasnt that good of a year. people need to calm down about them.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Boeing747) — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 15:11:44 PST

CC's JV beat Rice's JV 22-15 in league play.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (TNTDyno) — Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:34:33 PST

Good thread on CC. One question, how did CC's JV do against Brother Rice's JV last year? Just curious.

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Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:16:40 PST

Just post on topic and I have no problem.

As for OLSM, I thought they were a top 25 team going into the season .... and if you told me they would lose 2 games within the CHSL and make the D3 finals I would not have argued.

I had OLSM #2 in D3 ... worked out!

I had them losing to 2 CHSL teams ... (mine were Rice and DLS, not Rice and CC)

So was pretty close.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:51:11 PST

next year, olsm goes undefeated. and since this is a CC topic, i predict they beat CC by at least 2 touchdowns.

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (windwardho) — Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:33:47 PST

MahatmaG wrote:
Mike Martin on State:

Why not MSU? A bunch of reasons. Its football. The academics is better. It's just everything. The program, the tradition; Michigan State just isn't as good.

The academics IS better????

Re: CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 20:17:16 PST

Searn wrote:

MahatmaG wrote:
Mike Martin on State:

Why not MSU? A bunch of reasons. Its football. The academics is better. It's just everything. The program, the tradition; Michigan State just isn't as good.

Sounds about right.
Sparty does have tradition, but kids like Martin (and older kids like myself ) are too young to realize it.

Searn, you might have just touched on it, barely. Universities, like Catholic schools are not one fits all. UM and MSU could not be more different. As one who has been to many many MI colleges and universities it is pretty plain to see. And, as you know there are many things that put state above another school...yes even M and even ND.

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CC football

feeds@kickapps.com (ez) — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 01:27:52 PST

Questions for those in the know concerning CC football. What can are expectaions be concerning CC football next season. I noticed alot of big junior linemen, curious as to whether these guys are going to improve and have alot of potential. They won't replace Martin, and Longe, Morasso, Kanaan, were good ones as well. Another question mark is will the Sophs DAgostino and Erickson be ready to contribute and add additional threats to the emergence of Capatina. Is Landry the go to guy at QB and what will the learning curve be like with him assuming he is at the helm. Final question, who are the players to look out from on JV? I saw a young Kinville, on the roster if he is anything like his older borther than he should be an immediate impact player. Personally I thought his brother was the best LB I have seen play at CC period. I do not know what his combine numbers were but with the right numbers I though he was a legit D1 player especially at a MAC or maybe even an Indiana or...