Just for Laughs -- A 2008 Top 10 in May

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feeds@kickapps.com (MGophers0432) — Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:00:15 PST

and it seems Trevino much prefers to be a receiver, and seems to have good chemsitry with Blackport.

There are two Trevino's on the Varsity team. One is Quinn Trevino. He is a senior and plays wide receiver. The other is a sophmore and plays Quarterback.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Joemid) — Mon, 23 Jun 2008 21:42:14 PST

KleShreen wrote:

prepseer wrote:

KleShreen wrote:
Midland is definitely not Top 10 material. They lose basically their whole team sans Andrew Maxwell. They won't even win their conference.

KleSheen,

I had Midland returning four starters on offense and three on defense, including 3/4 of offensive backfield with D-1 QB. That's better than most finalist teams from last year. I think Marine City is the only team with more starters returning. However, they are not a lock for a Top 10 spot. They should definitely be Top 20 however. I do think Midland wins the SVA.

I just think Colter Roberson being gone is going to be a bigger impact than people think. I just think that Arthur Hill is going to run...

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 22:39:26 PST

I'm putting Macomb Dakota at my #1 at least until some scores come in to prove otherwise. I'm a Monkeys fan - I'm a Believer LOL!!!! The Cougars have the second longest winning streak in the state currently along with playing in the top division. It seems like Coach G. is reloading quickly plus has a very nice system in place to boot. That's good enough in my book to rank them preseason #1. The one question mark that I do have is how potent is that quick strike capability at wide receiver for this fall be?

Although I still have a great deal of respect for the CHSL Central teams, they haven't won any championships in the past 2 years so someone else deserves to be ranked up there at #1.

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feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 18:13:26 PST

As far as the OK Red getting 5 teams in the top ten????...C'mon!. Look, I am a west side guy, I think the OK Red is a very good conference, one of the best in the state, but I think some people go a little overboard on just how strong that conference is. It is not as if all of the teams are powerhouses from top to bottom. Some of the schools are mediocre at best. For years Holland was a sure win on everyone's schedule ( I know they're gone now). Grand Haven has never been a powerful team. Barely over .500 in their best years. One playoff appearance in decades. Jenison hasn't fielded a scary team since 2001 and has coaching and participation issues. Grandville for all their hype each year has usually disappointed with slow starts and untimely losses. West Ottawa is decent but even they were 5-4 the past two years. EK was alot more about Shillito than the "program". In the past few years, EK has lost to D3 Caledonia by 20, Grandville has lost by 20+ to Lowell...

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feeds@kickapps.com (trezdustrial) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 14:10:34 PST

Marine City might return a lot but did however lose their 6'4 220 lb. QB to D1 Cincy. He was just shy of 2,000 yards passing with 25 TD's and also ran for 536 yards and 14 touchdowns last season. I suspect he had a lot to do with their success.

Tough shoes to fill.

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feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 10:37:36 PST

No big deal BG, I know there were no ill intentions on your part, it's nice to read a strong opinionated debate without having to sift through all the garbage that you would see on Mlive. Also Catalina huh, man with all your lavish vacations and sporting events that you attend you might have to soon title your blog "Lifestyles of the rich and biased!"

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feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 08:31:05 PST

Baller, you know that was intentional on my part....sh*t stirrer that I am....Plus you make a great argument. Until someone shows DAK then can't, then they can. Personally I am amazed at how they have distanced themselves from the rest of the MacRed.

Searn, Perhaps 'collapse' was too strong on my part. But they were undefeated a few years ago, and then go an lose to a team they beat in the regular season. That has happened a couple of times. And those losses to Harrison and BBR were just blow outs...and this decade too. And those losses were later in the playoffs when you don't expect two teams to be so mismatched. Then you have them bowing out in the first round last year to that 'perennial powerhouse' Melvindale. Other than when they played EGR close, the year CC was making it 3 in a row, AP has been shown up. Whatever you want to call it, there playoff finishes have been ugly.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 00:50:48 PST

I believe Dakota COULD have went undefeated in the OK Red, because I believe they were stronger in 2007 than any team in state ... but I'm not sure if they WOULD have went undefeated since it's so tough to get up, play well, and get the breaks to win that many tough games ... and then win in the playoffs.

Look at the recent D1 champs with teams coming out of leagues like the OKRed and CHSLCentral .... There's 5 State Titles there in the 2000's ... and neither CC or Rockford were able to win the full 14 games.

You can also add to that Brother Rice winning back in 2005 in D2 with a few L's.

Was CC back in the 90s the last team to come out of one of the "Power Divisions" unblemished and win a state title? (I guess the Central teams were split up back then but they still played all of the Central teams one way or another plus St. Martin DePorres)

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feeds@kickapps.com (MHSFW) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 20:28:59 PST

I love the East Coast / West Coast debates...let me add my two cents. Since the MHSAA went to the current playoff format the MAC RED has had 7 teams in the finals in 9 years. I know the playoff format may flawed, however we dont make the rules we just follow them.

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feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:04:32 PST

Biased Guy wrote : Plus I am calling out our young friend Fballer67 for his homer pick of DAK number 1

Yes that was a bit of a homer pick, but I will tell you that Dakota has 6 starters coming back next year and a very talented group that went undefeated on JV last year. This year's senior class went undefeated or were 8-1 on JV, now I know that does not always translate to varsity success but there is alot of talent and a possible key addition at RB that sat out last year due to off the field issues. In 06 Dakota only had 5 starters back and had to replace their entire O line, in 07 they only had 4 starters back and had to replace all of the skill positions on offense including a D1 QB. Making the semifinals 5 out of 6 years shows that they are a legit contender for the D1 state title year in and year out. So this year they are in a similar position, but until someone...

Re: Just for Laughs -- A 2008 Top 10 in May

feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Thu, 19 Jun 2008 09:33:34 PST

Prob no team would go undefeated in the OK Red. But, I don't think BigReds will support a preseason number 1 ranking for Muskegon, and he is pretty tight with his poop regarding the team.

Yeah MrNCAA, that was nice. An all Metro Semis last year. Nice to not have to listen to some of the West-centric rhetoric...wait....sorry. Confusing my Mlives with my Searns.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:59:54 PST

HSSportsGuru should consult the stat forum every once in a while to confirm things. 5 - 4 teams win at 33% rate since 1999, which is slightly better than the lower rated seeds should do once I complete another stat. This means that Grandville's win over the Big Reds was not that abnormal as some might want to believe. There is no way that the OK Red will have 5 of the top 10 teams in either the first AP poll in D1 or in the Freep and News preseason ratings. They would be laughed out of the state if they did something like that.

http://searnfootballforum.yuku.com/reply/19964/t/5-4-information.html#reply-19964

Last year for D1 it was an all metro Detroit semis with Detroit CC playing Macomb Dakota and Troy lost to Livonia Stevenson. So the OK Red has to prove it on the field that they deserve to have multiple teams ranked in the top 10. Week 1...

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feeds@kickapps.com (HSSportsGuru) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 20:29:48 PST

The O.K. Red Conference should have 5 of the top 10 teams in your guys' polls.....

No way Dakota would go unbeaten in this conference in any year. Order of teams for 2008

1. Muskegon
2. Hudsonville
3. Rockford
4. West Ottawa
5. Grandville
6. Grand Haven
7. East Kentwood
8. Jenison

If the top 5 teams all win their non conference games this year, they should be in the playoffs, even at 5-4. And a O.K. Red team at 5-4 is NO pushover. Just ask Muskegon.......Before they joined the O.K. Conferences, they were ranked very high headed into the playoffs, while Grandville limped into the playoffs at 5-4. The Bulldogs stuck it to the Big Reds that year.

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feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 19:39:55 PST

FWIW, I would just like to add that I enjoyed the civil discourse between Prep, EKDad and OKRedFan. Everyone made their points, even a bit strongly, but with non of the crapola (as Mlive was alluded to)

And you guys got me darn interested in Hudsonville this year...esp since I am out that way now.

Now, back to the topic that idiot Outlander (just kidding Outlander - used your words against you) put out there. Plus I am calling out our young friend Fballer67 for his homer pick of DAK number 1

1. East Grand Rapids
2. Orchard Lake St. Mary
3. Brother Rice
4.
5.
6. Rockford
7. Dakota
8. Rochester Adams
9. Lowell
10. Inkster

And my thoughts are basically just from reading the forum over time and what is left rattling around my dome. Basically my pick are based upon the coaches that are in place at those schools (even though families I know told me that one coach on there....no names....initials...

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feeds@kickapps.com (OKRedFan) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 16:17:15 PST

Hey guys,

Great input. Blackport is not supsended for any football games, but Jonker is. I hate to say that, because Jordan is a great kid with a bright future. I also don't like airing town gossip, but my source is a higher up at Hudsonville. Blackport is fine, Jonker will miss the first three.

And to be fair EKDad, the Elite Staff did name him the "sleeper to emerge" at the regional camp. It's not on the video, it's in the "Penn State Staff Evaluations" writeup on the Student Sports site. So no mis-leading their. That came from the Elite 11 staff.

Good for him.

I also agree he didn't play to his potential, but I also didn't see any thrown in the dirt, and as I am sure you know EK Dad, neither of us know if it was a bad ball or bad route. Even bad routes produce open guys. But if the balls in the air, not much that can be done. I still do not agree that he was as awful as you preach. He saved us against...

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feeds@kickapps.com (EKDAD) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 13:10:41 PST

At least one of the families of the players suspended have hired an attorney to appeal the suspensions. You are correct Prepseer, if key players are suspended 2 games, the hole would be tough to dig out of. If the suspensions are revoked, and if Jonker and company can get out to a good start this year, Div 2 might be thiers. As for the OK Red, they still have to go through Rockford and Muskegon. That makes it a tough road.

GO EK!

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feeds@kickapps.com (prepseer) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 11:13:21 PST

Thanks OKRedfan and EKDad for the Hudsonville/Blackport update. I only know what I read and what I see. I thought Blackport was one of the state's better QBs last season based on his pre-season and early season publicity. Then I saw him in the first Muskegon game. I was disappointed. Everyone is entitled to a bad game and, OKRedfan, I agree that was a team loss and not primarily Blackport's fault. I do think he needs to take the blame for the 0-9 passing. I don't remember that many dropped passes, although I admit there certainly could have been some. I do remember reporting after the game that the game was not as much of a blowout as the 52-0 score would indicate. I felt Hudsonville was a much better team than they showed. Musky got all the breaks, starting with the lateral fumble that was returned for a TD. I thought Musky got most of the Ref calls as well. Hudsy was certainly flat in the early part of the game and had trouble containing the Musky QB,...

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feeds@kickapps.com (EKDAD) — Wed, 18 Jun 2008 08:05:00 PST

Whoa, nobody especially me has anything against Casey Blackport. Yes, I know he is 17. He is the starting QB of the Hudsonville Eagles. Which means, he sets the tone and is supposed to be the leader that other players immulate. We on this forum pull for all of the kids. However, unlike the people on Mlive, we put our bias aside and try to look at these young men realistically. Casey has not lived up to his potential and all the hype. He had a couple of really, really bad games that hurt his team. Yes we all know you win as a team and you lose as a team. Casey has a strong arm, but accuracy has been his downfall. 0 for 9 against Musky in the final season game is a fact, I was there! His...

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feeds@kickapps.com (OKRedFan) — Tue, 17 Jun 2008 19:35:26 PST

Your thoughts on Blackport are well off the mark. I have a son in the program at a lower level, and the diffrence between Blackport and Trevino are night and day. Blackport is throwing the ball very well this spring so far, and it seems Trevino much prefers to be a receiver, and seems to have good chemsitry with Blackport.

According to my son who has friends on the varsity squad several Division One schools stopped by Hudsonville to talk to both him and Jonker and invite them to camp, so some think he's just fine.

And as far as that 0-9 performance against Muskegon, I don't know what game you watched, but in his defense he was on his back all night long, and had several dropped passes if I remember correctly. He didn't lose that game by any means, considering both Jonker and Debniack combined for about 30 yards a piece too and our defense allowed a running clock by the third quarter. Needless to say it was a team loss, and I think the coaches would...

Re: Just for Laughs -- A 2008 Top 10 in May

feeds@kickapps.com (KleShreen) — Fri, 30 May 2008 16:20:37 PST

prepseer wrote:

KleShreen wrote:
Midland is definitely not Top 10 material. They lose basically their whole team sans Andrew Maxwell. They won't even win their conference.

KleSheen,

I had Midland returning four starters on offense and three on defense, including 3/4 of offensive backfield with D-1 QB. That's better than most finalist teams from last year. I think Marine City is the only team with more starters returning. However, they are not a lock for a Top 10 spot. They should definitely be Top 20 however. I do think Midland wins the SVA.

I just think Colter Roberson being gone is going to be a bigger impact than people think. I just think that Arthur Hill is going to run through the SVL with ease considering they've got 3 of the top 32 players in the state of Michigan, with a...

Just for Laughs -- A 2008 Top 10 in May

feeds@kickapps.com (TheOutlander) — Tue, 27 May 2008 16:57:34 PST

Before you call me an idiot, I did absolutely no research for this list. Just for fun, what does everyone think for an early early early top 10?

Just throwing it out there.

1. Macomb Dakota (not sure why but they are on a roll)
2. Orchard Lake St. Mary
3. Lowell
4. Brother Rice
5. Inkster
6. East Grand Rapids
7. Rochester Adams
8. Muskegon
9. Midland
10. Livonia Stevenson (OK, maybe a stretch, but KLAA represent! plus they still have one of the White brothers returning)

Lets hear yours!