A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (cumcball11) — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 14:46:02 PST

Small teams will have a lot of problems with the O-line, and this is a way to help that. They don't have to pound it between the tackles, or have the QB drop back while 6 guys plow through the line and pressure the QB to throw into tight coverage or take a sack. I think it's really genius.

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (GHSfootball1990) — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:07:15 PST

Hiesman84 wrote:
color me unimpressed....you can put any number on anyone you want, you still have to have guys capable of power blocking, blocking in space, running in space, running in traffic, catching, etc etc. If you ask your whole squad to be a jack of all trades, then you'll get 11 guys who are a master of none.

I'm sure it makes a huge difference in "bad team vs bad team" games, but I have to think that good teams with good staffs can identify who is desigened for what role, and defense it. You can put any # on a kid with an OT's body that you want. At the end of the day, if he's an OT wearing #3, he's still got OT skills...and if he spends 1/2 his practice time knowing how to also do RB & WR stuff, then he's going to be 1/2 the OT skill he could be.

I just think sound, well coached teams, and beat...

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (Muskyfan) — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 13:19:47 PST

Its going to cause confusion at first, but then teams will get used to it and defend it easily.

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (Hiesman84) — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:48:21 PST

color me unimpressed....you can put any number on anyone you want, you still have to have guys capable of power blocking, blocking in space, running in space, running in traffic, catching, etc etc. If you ask your whole squad to be a jack of all trades, then you'll get 11 guys who are a master of none.

I'm sure it makes a huge difference in "bad team vs bad team" games, but I have to think that good teams with good staffs can identify who is desigened for what role, and defense it. You can put any # on a kid with an OT's body that you want. At the end of the day, if he's an OT wearing #3, he's still got OT skills...and if he spends 1/2 his practice time knowing how to also do RB & WR stuff, then he's going to be 1/2 the OT skill he could be.

I just think sound, well coached teams, and beat people on excecution (most playoff teams) should be able to out excecute this. Maybe I'm oversimplifying things...

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (GHSfootball1990) — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 12:09:55 PST

Muskyfan wrote:
Does anyone know if any coaches in Michigan are considering this offense? I'd bet Dave Duram is already working on this at Hudsonville!

I would not be surprised if there were a few coaches adding some of this to their playbook.

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (Muskyfan) — Fri, 19 Sep 2008 10:21:24 PST

Does anyone know if any coaches in Michigan are considering this offense? I'd bet Dave Duram is already working on this at Hudsonville!

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (someJets) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:35:36 PST

Thats an interesting piece from pg2!

I would think about putting a package in if I was coaching a highschool team.

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feeds@kickapps.com (pats99) — Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:26:26 PST

Here is a story from ESPN.com today in their page 2 section....

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=weinreb/080811

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (someJets) — Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:20:27 PST

Mr NCAA wrote:

You got it. If they rush six then someone is uncovered and it is the QB's job to find him.

By my count there will still be 5 OL. Plus then you have the QB. So everyone else is covered under his scenario.

Sure there are 5 OL.... but if you rush 6 guys against the 3 guys on the LOS in the middle of the field, then you are only leaving 3 on each side of the field max.....

One "Lineman" on each side can not catch a pass, but he can stand in the way of a defender so that in the case of a blitz, there is always a safety valve "screen"available.

If you rush 6 guys at the QBs, they have to pretty much sprint 7-10 yards before the QB with the ball releases his pass. I bet the QB almost never gets sacked.

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feeds@kickapps.com (WolverineKeith) — Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:24:00 PST

Ha! Those were the days. Always use your blitz on first down....no need to save it, as then it might never be used. I also recall getting to 4th down and needing two completions for a 1st. Punt? Never! We're going for the end zone!

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:49:25 PST

Don't forget that two completed passes = a first down....

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Fri, 01 Aug 2008 00:47:51 PST

I think I read somewhere that the DL and LBers actually have to count to "5-Apple" before rushing the Quarterback. ... and possibly one "blitz' per series.

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feeds@kickapps.com (WolverineKeith) — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 23:27:14 PST

BIGREDS89 wrote:

completehomer wrote:
I'm confused about one thing: this offense claims that "all 11 players" can be eligible receivers. Clearly, no more than 5 players are really eligible in any given play. I assume they are insinuating that those 5 players are not determined until after the formation shifts. If this is the case, do you have no players wearing numbers between 50 and 79 on your offense?

sorry I was explaining it while you were posting it must have been. Anyways if you have at least one of your "qb's" at least 7 yards back from the center in a position to recieve a long snap you are in a scrimmage kick or punt formation and the numbering system does not matter. You can have any combination of numbers on the field in that scenario. All 11 players are not eligible...

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 17:00:48 PST

You got it. If they rush six then someone is uncovered and it is the QB's job to find him.

By my count there will still be 5 OL. Plus then you have the QB. So everyone else is covered under his scenario.

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feeds@kickapps.com (SenatorAtoms) — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:28:05 PST

Wow. You better have a quick reacting QB. Oh and he better be able to move. Oh and he better be accurate.

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (GHSfootball1990) — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:42:59 PST

SenatorAtoms wrote:
Shifting is legal. You just have to set for a period of time. Shift, then set.

My question is what does the offense do when faced with 6 defenders going after the ball? Do they just rely on hot reads?

You got it. If they rush six then someone is uncovered and it is the QB's job to find him.

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (SenatorAtoms) — Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:00:49 PST

Shifting is legal. You just have to set for a period of time. Shift, then set.

My question is what does the offense do when faced with 6 defenders going after the ball? Do they just rely on hot reads?

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (tommiegun80) — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 14:16:11 PST

interesting offense.. gives me an idea.... hmm...............
anyhow does anyone know when "shifting" became legal in football? i understand motion but whose ideas was it to allow shifting?

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (GHSfootball1990) — Wed, 30 Jul 2008 12:56:37 PST

Muskyfan wrote:
It seems like you would only be allowed to have so many players on the filed with eligible reciever jersey numbers. Or maybe the beauty of the formation is that a guy could line up in a "guard" position and then suddenly shift out to the flank as a wideout.

Correct that is the beauty of the formation or at least that is what they say. This offense takes advantage of a loophole in the scrimmage kick formation rule. National Federation rules do not stipulate that a scrimmage kick formation needs to be used on an obvious kicking down like the NCAA rules do.

In a scrimmage kick formation you are allowed to have 11 eligible numbers on the...

Re: A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (Muskyfan) — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:57:14 PST

It seems like you would only be allowed to have so many players on the filed with eligible reciever jersey numbers. Or maybe the beauty of the formation is that a guy could line up in a "guard" position and then suddenly shift out to the flank as a wideout.

A-11 Offense ... The future of football?

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Thu, 24 Jul 2008 23:44:25 PST

http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=825031

Josh Katzowitz
Special to Rivals High

When quarterback Jeremy George entered the Piedmont (Calif.) High School football coaches' office to talk to Kurt Bryan, he noticed an unusual formation on the dry-erase board.

At first, George thought the formation was meant for the punt team.

No, Bryan said, that's our new offense.

George looked back to the board and was a little confused.

"Initially, the first thought I had was, 'I'm pretty sure that's illegal,' " George said. "I've got to admit I thought it was a little crazy. I think most of the players thought it was crazy. A lot of people were a little skeptical."

And for good...