Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (oxcaptain84) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 08:21:51 PST

For comparison, Look at the pinckney kids. All they did was have a photo of a 14 year old naked girl. The GIRL is the one who took the photo and passed it around! The kids who have the photo or ever passed it around are OUT of school!

Here we have a case where one or two thugs ROBBED someone. If they robbed, give em the chair. They're dead to me.

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 06:52:46 PST

Mr NCAA wrote:
I guess that TommyZ's policy would be to let a potential murderer play on the team since he wasn't convicted in a court of law yet since that is his standard on these type of cases.

LOL!!! Nice comparison..........The guy would not be on the streets, he would be in jail before court....Thanks for playing though

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (oxcaptain84) — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 17:10:42 PST

Mr NCAA wrote:
Here is the link:

http://www.freep.com/apps...D=/20080921/HSS/809210492

This is just one of the reasons why the MHSAA needs to standardize the punishment for all schools. Basically I've been saying this on here for the past couple of years. Basically I've lost all respect for Coach Carter over this incident.

What we have here is a case of at least one thug who needs ousting and jail time. I'm a bit confused on the kid Carter has. Has the kid on Inksters team been found guilty or...

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (applefan84) — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 23:18:29 PST

TOMMYZ wrote:

Mr NCAA wrote:
Here is the link:

http://www.freep.com/apps...D=/20080921/HSS/809210492

This is just one of the reasons why the MHSAA needs to standardize the punishment for all schools. Basically I've been saying this on here for the past couple of years. Basically I've lost all respect for Coach Carter over this incident.
I like how you give this...

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 22:43:32 PST

Just to prove to TommyZ and other people on here, here is an article where a 15 year old name gets mentioned in a crime case. So don't tell me that the Detroit News doesn't publish young people's names when they commit a crime anymore:

http://www.detnews.com/ap.../20081019/METRO/810190331

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:29:37 PST

Ya, in a lot of these cases all we have to go off is what is said in the papers.

Based on what we think we know ... both have admitted guilt.

Obviously there's always a chance the paper got it wrong ... but we're just going along assuming the article is accurate.

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:25:17 PST

Way to lay it out Searn. I was going by the article though as my premise. I really agree with PSL that there are life lessons in sports and that you don't give up on kids. At the same time I don't think you extend privlege, which I think allowing them to play is.

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:02:14 PST

One would have to think that Coach Carter has had a sit-down with the kid to find out what really happened.

1. The kid is innocent and told coach the truth and he feels ok with him playing.

2. The kid is guilty, and lied to Carter, ... coach trusts him enough and is giving him the benefit of the doubt.

3. The kid told Carter he was involved, Carter decides to play him anyway and is going the "win at all costs"route.

....

I'm hoping it's either #1 or #2

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (pslfan) — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:46:06 PST

If the players were in college or in the pro's I would look at this situation differently. My position would be I would not kick them off the team until the legal process played out.

High school however is different. I believe at that level the coach is also responsible for molding their minds as well as playing football. Some young people need to be taught that you don't put yourself in situations like that. I wouldn't give up on the kid but he would know that they are severe penalties connected to questionable behavior.

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 09:07:36 PST

TOMMY, Here's a logical extension to your arguement:

You live next door to an accused child molester awaiting trial. Because he has not yet been convicted of the crime, you should then allow your children to go next door and continue to play with his kids.

After all....he IS innocent until proven guilty IN A COURT OF LAW. Right?

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:46:45 PST

I guess that TommyZ's policy would be to let a potential murderer play on the team since he wasn't convicted in a court of law yet since that is his standard on these type of cases.

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) — Wed, 24 Sep 2008 08:36:11 PST

BiasedGuy wrote:
TZ, you are off base. "I" am assuming nothing. The artcile expressly notes that both gave statements of invovlment. This entire point is moot if the teams had "Player Conduct Contract" Then we would not be discussing legal rights with *shudder* morality or civic responsibility. Although I am sure some A-hole lawyer will attack the legality of those contracts before too long.

It is an assumption when nothing has been proven..These statements may or may not be true...Im not taking the word of McCabe..I agree about the Player conduct contract..

Also, really don't appreciate your flip response = "pot kettle" Either it was flip or you somehow completely, and amazingly missed the very obvious point of demanding personal responsibility of people for their actions. But since much of society doesn't...

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 16:14:51 PST

TZ, you are off base. "I" am assuming nothing. The artcile expressly notes that both gave statements of invovlment. This entire point is moot if the teams had "Player Conduct Contract" Then we would not be discussing legal rights with *shudder* morality or civic responsibility. Although I am sure some A-hole lawyer will attack the legality of those contracts before too long.

Also, really don't appreciate your flip response = "pot kettle" Either it was flip or you somehow completely, and amazingly missed the very obvious point of demanding personal responsibility of people for their actions. But since much of society doesn't demand it (credit crunch to mention another current topic) I won't hold that against you.

I guess we will agree to disagree. Just remember, FB teams are NOT Democracies, or Constitutionally Limited Republics, TOMMY. They are however Autocracies, sometimes Tyrannies/Monarchies, and in the case of the...

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (trezdustrial) — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 09:46:02 PST

From a Human standpoint you like to help these kids and how is it helping them to take away the one positive thing they have in their life? Football gives these kids more guidelines/rules/responsibilities/accountability than they likely get at home. You take the practices away and these kids have more time to be walkin the streets.

Now on the other hand, would these kids be playin ball if the victim was the Coaches Mother/Daughter/wife/grandchild? LOL.

The Coaches know these kids better than we do, we have to hope/trust that this is about more than just winning Football games. I dont think Inkster season's is dependant on a what? A Sophomore linemen.

As an outsider I personally think the kids should be removed from the team. If I was thier mentor/father figure/coach maybe I'd feel different?

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (pslfan) — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 08:20:16 PST

I have given a lot a thought about this situation. I think Carter is a fine man and coach but I feel he handled this particular situation wrong. I believe he is having some growing pains with these gray areas since he has gone to a public school.

At DePorres the principal was very strict, everything was black and white. Decisions such as this would have been taken out of Carters hands.

I think he now has a lot more lee-way at Inkster and his natural inclination is to help the kid and keep him close.

I would have kept the kid on the team and practice but I would not let him dress for games.

If I were the coach , my atitude would be playing FB is a privilege not a right and there are certain standards you must maintain I wouldn't care about the legality, the mere fact he was in the situation would have warranted punishment.

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) — Tue, 23 Sep 2008 07:09:28 PST

BIGREDS89 wrote:

Did'nt they both admit guilt?? I can see trying to keep them active and involved in the program AS LONG AS the poper things are being done with these kids OFF THE FIELD. I am a firm believer in keeping kids busy will help keep them out of trouble. Maybe the kids should practice and travel with the team but not dress for friday nights until this thing is cleared up and some kind of suspension is served.

One pleaded guilty and should be off the team...Nothing has come from the other...I agree more so with you about keeping them busy until this is cleared up..If he pleads guilty, then cut him loose

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (BIGREDS89) — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 21:20:05 PST

Did'nt they both admit guilt?? I can see trying to keep them active and involved in the program AS LONG AS the poper things are being done with these kids OFF THE FIELD. I am a firm believer in keeping kids busy will help keep them out of trouble. Maybe the kids should practice and travel with the team but not dress for friday nights until this thing is cleared up and some kind of suspension is served.

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 15:36:33 PST

TOMMY, A few things

* I did not anywhere say that Carter was POS for helping troubled kids - so please don't put words in my mouth. Doing so does two things: It diminishes your position, and it incenses the person you are debating with.

You are right on this one

* And at this time Coach Carter and Norman are NOT simply helping 'troubled kids' The article said they both gave statements admitting their involvment. So at the very least Coaches are 'helping' miscreants; probably soon to be felons.

The supposed statements mean nothing until they are proven guilty...That is something given to each and every person in this country...So until that time comes, you are assuming..

* I'm...

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 13:28:26 PST

TOMMY, A few things

* I did not anywhere say that Carter was POS for helping troubled kids - so please don't put words in my mouth. Doing so does two things: It diminishes your position, and it incenses the person you are debating with.

* And at this time Coach Carter and Norman are NOT simply helping 'troubled kids' The article said they both gave statements admitting their involvment. So at the very least Coaches are 'helping' miscreants; probably soon to be felons.

* I'm all for helping troubled kds, but I am all for accountability too. These kids can be helped after they take responsibility for their actions. Continuing to play FB because it might help their future is not taking responsibility. They are both old enough to know right from wrong. This was not a 'mistake' or a shoplift, but a deliberate, willful, and violent attack, with weapon, against a woman.

* You assume too much with people you don't...

Re: Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) — Mon, 22 Sep 2008 12:13:10 PST

I know where you are talking about Mr.Ncaa..I grew up in brightmoor....Also, I just want to point out..Nowhere did it say that the Inkster kid had a gun...Im just pointing out, before anyone should get kicked off a team or something like that is everyone is innocent until proven guilty...

Also I want to answer to the "saftey of the fans"....I guess we should just throw this kid in jail for the rest of his life because you cannot guarantee he wont do this walking down the street, or at a job, a meeting, on and on....

I just want to point this out once again...I am not saying the kid is innocent or guilty..He may be...I just dont like the guilty before innocent thing....And again, im just pointing out how I feel..Nothing personal

Detroit Cody, Inkster win at any cost attitude

feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Sun, 21 Sep 2008 13:15:09 PST

Here is the link:

http://www.freep.com/apps...D=/20080921/HSS/809210492

This is just one of the reasons why the MHSAA needs to standardize the punishment for all schools. Basically I've been saying this on here for the past couple of years. Basically I've lost all respect for Coach Carter over this incident.