Morgan Trent

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (Onemansthought) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 21:13:29 PST

I agree with Searn
Starter at U of M for multiple years.
Great Athlete did not quite measure up to the Sheer Athlete ability.
Great Athlete does not always equate to great Football Player.

To be fair his Senior Year the year you should be ready to really deliver the U of M defensive Scheme was terrible did not take advantage of the skills the team had. Team looked timid and confused, glad for the coaching change.

I expect him to get some opportunities to showcase his speed on Nickle and Dime packages early and see what comes from that.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 17:48:41 PST

dallascarter wrote:
i wouldnt say awful. he was sufficient.

Ya ... I mean he WAS a starter and a key contributor at a place like Michigan for multiple years ....

I think he was a sufficient player with above average talent. ... and sometimes NFL teams will take a chance that they can develop and harness the talent part.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:59:53 PST

i wouldnt say awful. he was sufficient.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (prepseer) — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:35:38 PST

I suspect he got drafted for his physical skills and potential. It couldn't be for his performance at Michigan. He was awful and I'm glad he's gone. It is ironoic how someone can make so much money as a young kind when he was so bad at the college level. I can't believe he will make it to the pension level. He'll be another Drew Henson. For his sake, I hope he has a big guarantee in his contract.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (BiasedGuy) — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:46:38 PST

Trent went 6th rd and signed with the Bengals on Friday I believe. Frankly I am surprised he went that high. He was brutal his first few years at UM, but improved last year. Still he has 7 career picks. I guess the Bengals saw something. The kid ended up one of the league's Purgatories.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:50:29 PST

dallascarter wrote:
2004 team should not have made the state finals but did, and the 2005 team was a good team that faced tough scheduling against a very good team, losing only one game. the fact that people thought the 2006 team underachieved shows how silly some the idiots on here are. ok, so they had a couple of good athletes, but that team was thin and lacked good line play. they were not built to win in the CHSL. 2007 state finals, coming as close to a win as possible (five overtime loss). 2008, i don't remember despite being last year.

I agree about 2004 ... I give them credit ... one of the few OLSM teams that I thought exceeded legit expectations.

OLSM may or may not have been built to win the CHSL in 2006 ... but man for man they were certainly much better than the team that knocked them out of the state playoffs.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:40:21 PST

2004 team should not have made the state finals but did, and the 2005 team was a good team that faced tough scheduling against a very good team, losing only one game. the fact that people thought the 2006 team underachieved shows how silly some the idiots on here are. ok, so they had a couple of good athletes, but that team was thin and lacked good line play. they were not built to win in the CHSL. 2007 state finals, coming as close to a win as possible (five overtime loss). 2008, i don't remember despite being last year.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:11:34 PST

ss429 wrote:
Curious to see why you think they should have won easily in 2000 & 2001?

Did you see the Brandon or Trenton games?

I didn't see the Brandon or Trenton games ....

But I have seen OLSM play every season since 1994 ... and the teams that won championships from 1997-2001 in OLSM's classification ...

Based on talent, and what I saw them do against CHSL opponents .... I honestly expected OLSM to be at least 1-2tds better than anyone class BB or D4 could have put up against them in those seasons. ... to me those were gigantic upsets.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:05:22 PST

dallascarter wrote:
"I put that issue 99% on the coaching staff.

Which is why I feel GP has generally underachieved."

you can lead a horse to water...

Can't argue with that ... but good coaches get as much out of their players as talent dictates ... top notch coaches tend get more out of their teams than talent dictates ...

I can't honestly say that I believe GP gets even close to everything out of the talent he's "dealt"

He's had more pure talent to work with the past 5 seasons than probably 95% of the other 600 teams in Michigan have had to work with in their school's football history.

I've never met him ... I'm sure he's a great guy, and he knows how to manage a hs sports program ... but in a few of the sports he personally coaches (football and hoops) ... It's hard for anyone to...

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Wed, 17 Jun 2009 21:03:44 PST

"I put that issue 99% on the coaching staff.

Which is why I feel GP has generally underachieved."

you can lead a horse to water...

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (ss429) — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 13:29:51 PST

Searn wrote:
I give much credit to the 2004 team ... I didn't think there was any shot we would see them at Ford Field....

2003 - big playoff disappointment

2002- was what it was.

2007 - nice season, including playoffs ... EGR was a little better.

The 2005 team was likely the best team in Michigan ...without injury.

The 2006 team should have been a lot better.(especially in the playoffs)

1997-2001 ... OLSM should have won State Championships in Class BB/D4 .... and easily.
No disrespect to the rest of D4 or BB .. but OLSM should have been AT LEAST 3 tds better than every team in those playoffs.

How they lost early playoff games to Ortonville-Brandon and Trenton was beyond ridiculous.... probably 2 of the biggest playoff upsets since I've been following MHSAA football.

I'll...

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Fri, 24 Oct 2008 12:35:40 PST

haha verska. what a classy coach. and there's a reason why mick mccabe is relegated to high school section of a crappy newspaper and nothing bigger. but anyway, olsm is a perceived cheater, keyword perceived. they are not actually a cheater, depsite what you all want to think. but i'm not getting into all that. i just think it's funny that every year you guys keep talking crap about olsm despite their academic/athletic excellence. stop being jealous.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (pavlov) — Thu, 23 Oct 2008 07:46:38 PST

Searn wrote:

I think the difference between CC or Brother Rice runs of domination in the past ....... The local public schools may have been against them .... but OLSM is the only case of the CHSL turning against one of their own that I know of....

And CC/Rice have been even more successful at times than OLSM is now....

DeLaSalle is becoming strong .. and I don't see the CHSL fans turning against them.

I believe OLSM's situation is very unique.

It's the perceived cheater factor as I mentioned. Bottom line. DC's example of OLSM arrogance as outlined so well in his last post notwithstanding.

As a CC fan first and foremost, I accept the reality of DeLaSalle's recent emergence as a power. It's a challenge for CC, and it's good for the CHSL Central.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:20:43 PST

I give much credit to the 2004 team ... I didn't think there was any shot we would see them at Ford Field....

2003 - big playoff disappointment

2002- was what it was.

2007 - nice season, including playoffs ... EGR was a little better.

The 2005 team was likely the best team in Michigan ...without injury.

The 2006 team should have been a lot better.(especially in the playoffs)

1997-2001 ... OLSM should have won State Championships in Class BB/D4 .... and easily.
No disrespect to the rest of D4 or BB .. but OLSM should have been AT LEAST 3 tds better than every team in those playoffs.

How they lost early playoff games to Ortonville-Brandon and Trenton was beyond ridiculous.... probably 2 of the biggest playoff upsets since I've been following MHSAA football.

I'll cut OLSM some slack a few years in a very tough D2.

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I think the...

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:57:17 PST

he does the best he can with every team he has. that's why the 2000, 2001, 2004, 2007 teams all made the state finals. the 2005 team was arguably the best team since 1999, and they could've gone far, but were upset by rice. but with prep bowl and catholic league titles along with the gridiron trophy, it's not like they underachieved. only losing one game, even though it was the one that counted the most, doesn't mean a team underachieved. the 2006 team had a couple of good athletes, but lacked the core group of players necessary to make a run. role-players are just as important in high school football as the talented guys.

i honestly believe you guys give OLSM a bad rap because they offer all students financial aide and a chance at a good education. you hate the fact that people WANT to go there. it's similar to USC or even Michigan. people WANT to go there, and everyone gets jealous and pissy. i remember a few years back when CC dominated every year...

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (pavlov) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:56:38 PST

Searn wrote:
I agree that there are a lot of people that enjoying seeing them fail.

That's not an exclusive club though. DC likes to paint OLSM as the poor picked on victim, as if they are the only program that suffers from that.

In my opinion, there are two primary kinds of programs generally share that "others enjoy seeing them fail" trait; Traditional high-achievers and private schools. The less frequent situation of perceived traditional cheater would be a rare third kind of program with the "others enjoy seeing them fail" trait.

Some schools fall into more than one of the three categories. I think OLSM falls into two of them. The previously made point of under-achieving keeps them from hitting the trifecta.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:36:46 PST

dallascarter wrote:
talent is the ability to play well WITH your teammates.

I put that issue 99% on the coaching staff.

Which is why I feel GP has generally underachieved.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 20:30:03 PST

and about decker, when he got there, he was telling people that his brother suggested him not to go to rice. sooooo....

i mean, yea, they always seem to have a good guy in the skill position, but a WR doesn't make a team. the good olsm teams have had good defenses. the bad ones, not so much. the good ones tend to have a good core group of kids that played together for years. the bad ones, not so much. people start looking at 40 times and vertical jumps and determine talent. i don't get it. talent is the ability to play well WITH your teammates.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:32:38 PST

dallascarter wrote:
yet to see anyone refute my statement that OLSM gets over-hyped to so people can watch them "fail." weird...

I'll agree with half of it..

OLSM gets the "hype" they deserve based on the talent on the roster..... In recent seasons OLSM has had more top talent on a single team than most of the top programs in Michigan get in a decade.

I agree that there are a lot of people that enjoying seeing them fail.

Re: Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (dallascarter) — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 17:59:23 PST

yet to see anyone refute my statement that OLSM gets over-hyped to so people can watch them "fail." weird...

Morgan Trent

feeds@kickapps.com (prepseer) — Sat, 18 Oct 2008 18:43:08 PST

One of the things I like least about Michigan football is when they recruit someone from Orchard Lake St. Mary's. It says something about their judgement and it requires me to make a decision--to root for or not root for the success of that player. In the case of Morgan Trent, there's no dillema. This guy is the worst DB in Michigan history. He can't cover. He can't tackle. Why RR doesn't stick him on the bench and end his career is a real indictment of the other DBs on the roster. I sure hope MSU wins the recruiting battle for Dion Sims.