Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (eagleCHAMP05) — Fri, 05 Dec 2008 12:25:16 PST

old school wrote:
and then lost by one in overtime in a game they dominated to an honorable mention in the semifinals?

Are you sure they dominated?

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:55:17 PST

Did I leave out Nouvel? If so that was a mistake on my part ... I put together the HM in a bit of a rush which is why I put on there it's a "work in progress"

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (old school) — Thu, 21 Mar 1996 15:28:44 PST

aslanprime, you are truly showing your colors and your dedication to the east side of the state. Football is not merely about the total number of kids on the roster or about the ability to get through without injury. Some of the smaller schools would get through even the tougher schedules and would certainly even pound on some of the bigger schools if given the chance. Don't be such a homer.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (old school) — Thu, 04 Dec 2008 20:27:09 PST

Nouvel beat teams in your honorable mention and tops, and then lost by one in overtime in a game they dominated to an honorable mention in the semifinals? C'mon... they deserve at least a "non ranked, alphabetical only" distinction in your honorable mention.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (eagleCHAMP05) — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 16:50:28 PST

lhspwnz wrote:
those ranking are ridiculous.

I think you're picks for the finals say enough about your knowledge of high school football in Michigan, so we'll just leave it at that.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (lhspwnz) — Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:58:52 PST

those ranking are ridiculous.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:58:12 PST

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Aaaaaaah.....a rational voice in the wilderness!!!!! Careful though Searn. You're backsliding toward my cowardly grouping approach I outlined earlier. Just kidding. There isn't anything in the above statement I could disagree with, including the disparity between #1 and #2. I can probably take off my fiesty mask and slink off into offseason hibernation now:)

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (BigRed92) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:50:34 PST

Prepseer:

Just for fun, what would your top 10 have looked like if Muskegon didn't make that amazing come back in the semi-final game and Davison went on to beat DeLaSalle in the championship? Based on your justification of your BBR placement, I think you should put a lot of thought into your answer.......

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:07:29 PST

Take this part of my ranking listed below and rank the teams in almost any order ...(aside from putting the D1 teams above Rockford) and to be honest it would be a waste of time to have an argument ... all the teams are VERY CLOSE. At that point I simply try to use my best judgment and reward the teams based on the entire season's body of work.

To me (much below Muskegon) ... this was the group of elite teams in Michigan when all was said and done. ...

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:40:16 PST

Maybe I'm bored now that there is no football and just feel like debating. Otherwise, why am I persisting in this dialogue? Whatever. Here goes.

Hey Prep, I think you said your UNBIASED OPINION is that...a)DLS, even though their opponents' record was 29-49, had a more difficult schedule than EGR...b)even though EGR beat their top32 opponents more convincingly that it doesn't make them better than DLS....c)even though EGR beat a common opponent more convincingly, it doesn't make them better....and d)that if EGR played DLS' schedule they would have more than one loss.
As such, DLS is just a little better than EGR.

I think you'd have been more convincing if you just said "cuz I just think so". It would have been more intellectually honest.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (prepseer) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 10:12:44 PST

Searn,

Thanks for the plug. I was going to post that my rankings were now up at www.prepseer.com but you beat me to it. As you noted, I don't always buy the head-to-head ranking where a team that beats another team always gets ranked ahead of the team it beat. There are just too many variables and too many upsets in high school football. If the person doing the rankings cannot interject some judgement, he probably isn't qualified to do rankings. A computer could do the job. And we all know how accurate the computer rakings are. Not.

I do rely on game results, to a point, mainly when I haven't personally seen the teams. But, when I've seen a team multiple times, I use my own judgement to sometimes override the head-to-head results. This happens more later in the year. It doesn't always involve Brother Rice either. You mentioned the Lake Orion--Sterling Hts. Stevenson...

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:13:12 PST

Even more proof that everyone has their own ranking style and opinions ....

http://www.prepseer.com/?p=331#more-331

One thing I have said is that you probably won't catch me putting team ahead of a team that beat them in the state playoffs ... since I put such a premium on the post season play.

Prepseer does not always go that way

Example
Lakeland eliminated Brother Rice from the playoffs

Ranking
Rice #10
Lakeland # #24

Lake Orion eliminated SH Stevenson

SHS #7
Lake Orion #9

Everyone has their own thinking and opinions .... which makes it interesting ..

While I don't always agree with other's rankings .... I can usually at least understand how they came up with their rankings, and respect them..... which I know that's how most treat my weekly rankings.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 01:05:10 PST

I love all the reactions to the rankings ... it's a lot of fun to see the varying opinions ...

One one post we have a member saying that Holland Christian is TOO LOW at #15 ..... then below another member saying they are TOO HIGH at #15

One member saying Detroit Southeastern should not even be ranked ... another that they are a Top 15 team ....

Some mlive people ripping me for having MCC ONLY at #32 ... others are up in arms that they are even ranked ...

One believes that EGR should be higher ... another has them lower .... I'm sure once we see Prepseer's ranking they'll be even more differences of opinion.

This is what makes the rankings a lot of fun ... and sometimes difficult.... but mostly fun.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:58:47 PST

Re: EastGuru

I didn't say EGR had to play flawless against the big boys (not necessarily meaning school size) during the regular season if they are not going to have a brutal schedule .... I said they had to be flawless against who they played and all the way to the D3 title.

Which is basically what FHH and Lowell did in their D3 title wins in 2000, 2001 and 2004.... and EGR did the same thing when they won titles with Kevin Grady ... which is why they finished in the top 2 those seasons.

Had EGR ran the table at 14-0 the past 2 seasons the would have been Top 3 teams most likely both seasons ... instead they slightly lower (still top 10).

By the way .... in 2001 ... D3 was "today's D2" ... ... that particular season I would say it was stronger at the top than D1 or D2 (just my opinion)....

EGR is clearly one of the top programs in Michigan ... and one of the best teams in the state on a yearly basis ...

...

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (aslanprime) — Tue, 02 Dec 2008 00:05:44 PST

1. Muskegon 14-0
2. Rockford 13-1
3. Hudsonville 8-3
4. Lowell 11-1
5. Lake Orion 12-2
6. Davison 9-4 (#11?)
7. Warren DeLasalle 13-1
8. Canton 10-2 (#18?)
9. Livonia Stevenson 10-2
10. Sterling Heights Stevenson 10-2
11. Romeo 8-3
12. East Grand Rapids 13-1
13. Dearborn Fordson 12-1
14. Detroit Southeastern 10-2 (#23?)
15. Southfield 11-2
16. Macomb Dakota 9-2
17. Utica Eisenhower 5-5 (I had to put them in. 4 quality losses, 3 close, and a 7-0 loss to Lake Orion in the first round)
18. Wyandotte Roosevelt 10-2 (NR???)
19. Midland 10-2 (#29?)
20. Southgate Anderson 9-2 (I guess since you didn't put Roosevelt in, you would leave Southgate out as well...but a loss to Fordson and Roosevelt in the playoffs...after beating Roosevelt earlier in the season...I can't leave them out.)
21. Inkster 12-2 (#10?)
22. Stevensville Lakeshore 11-2 (#16?)
23. White Lake Lakeland 9-3...

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:29:01 PST

BTW, I have a question to all regarding the "school size". If the EGR's of the world must play flawless against larger schools, why is it that the Rockford's of the world can play less than flawless against smaller schools??? I dare say that if EGR was held to negative yardage against a school with 30% less kids, they would never be heard from again in the rankings.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:10:49 PST

P.S. Another common opponent thing....EGR vs. OLSM with Dion Sims, 49-14..... DLS vs OLSM w/o Sims, 34-28 P.S.S. I still appreciate all of your work:)

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:03:04 PST

First, Searn, I wasn't lobbying for EGR to be in the top 3. But I feel I need to respond to your rationale stated above. Note: Warren DeLaSalle's opponents in the regular season had a combined record of 29-49. EGR's opponents 42-39 (all Class A schools except for OLSM and GR Chrstian). DLS, including playoffs, played 4 teams in your final regular season top 32 (#1,15, 17, 28) and won 3 by a total of 22 points. East played 4 as well(#2,14, 16, and 23) and won 3 by a total of 62 points. So, each lost to a great team by 20-ish but won the rest (EGR more convincingly). EGR wins their final game by 19 over your #10 team. DLS loses by 20 to your #1 team. So, how did DLS earn the "third best in the state" title? Sorry, I'm just not seeing it....other than that is your opinion, which you, of course, are entitled to. As far as EGR needing to play up to be a legitimate top team?... I dunno, that seems a bit steep. When Lowell won it all in 2004 - in D3, I don't...

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (prepseer) — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:23:08 PST

Searn,

Nice job on your final Top 32. I've decided to do a Final Post Playoff Top 25. It will be published tonight. Some differences with yours, but nothing major.

Re: Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:08:25 PST

Spartan2008StateChamps wrote:
good work, really cant argue with that. really only change i would make would be to swap EGR and LO. personally i believe that EGR could beat LO even though LO had the misfortune to play the #2 team twice.

searn, off topic, how do i change my display name?

Check your private messages ...

Searn Super 32 - FINAL RANKINGS - 2008

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Sun, 30 Nov 2008 17:25:45 PST

These are always tough because I don't have next week to fix something if I change my mind ... .

Michigan High School Football Rankings

#2	Rockford	13-1
#3	Warren DeLaSalle	13-1
#4	Hudsonville	8-3