Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (rhenson2000) — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:31:04 PST

I will certainly add my two cents worth during the MAC Red Season and look forward to serious football talk on this board as opposed to the name calling and sophomoric conversation that take place in other places.

I do not like to be critical of our truly amatuer athletes and I think I got off on the wrong foot with my first post as you pointed out regarding Davis.
My comments came out as critical and I only intended to express a concern I have with his conditioning. Your points regarding divison I offers is noted and I can not argue that they must be impressed to give valuable scholarship offers. He does play a highly coveted position for College recruiters and this will only help him if he follows up his offers with a strong season. I will say that he impressed me during the basketball season, with surprisingly light feet and a solid touch around the basket. He showed me some of his athletic ability that I was not expecting to see on the baskball court....

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 10:07:39 PST

It was pure luck that I showed up that day ... otherwise I may not have known Dakota existed until late in the season or even the playoffs ...

CC was pretty banged up (Top 2 RBs were out, and other top players playing at about 70%) but WLW was an excellent team as they proved by finishing 14-0.

It was basically an even game except for about a 5 minute stretch in the 3rd quarter in which WLW racked up some points
1. INT for TD
2. Fumble to set up FG
3. Fumble and return to inside 5 to setup TD

I believe that was 3 consecutive possessions for CC.

Other than that neither team could really move the ball.

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Sun, 02 Aug 2009 07:55:00 PST

Yeah I remember being shocked when I saw that score(CC/WLW) in the paper. It seemed that many people that year had CC slated for a 3 peat and I remember we had went to see CC in the Prep Bowl at the Dome vs Rice and CC looked very impressive(31-12) and finished off an undefeated regular season. I couldn't believe they had lost let alone by the margain they did. I believe it was their top RB John Kava that was injured, but from what you said it sounds like he wasn't the only one.

That was the same night we had upset CV in the districts, with CC gone, alot of us really thought running the table would be realistic. BTW I picked up TC Cameron's High School Rivalry book and it was pretty cool that he mentioned our upset of CV in the 99 playoffs as the catalyst for making the rivalry what it is today.

Searn you were definitely the only one who ranked us that year. We were picked to finish 4th in the MAC White LOL!

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 22:16:21 PST

ftballer67 wrote:
It's funny that you mention WLW's best from the 90's. I honestly think our team in 99 would have had a pretty good shot at knocking WLW off if we would have reached the finals. Now I know scrimmages don't translate into the games but we were physically superior to WLW at their 4 way that year and I think with our QB and passing game we would have matched up quite well against there 4-6.

Who knows though we still would have had to get past Ike in the semi's which would have been a tough game. It's just tough to get over the fact that we had built a 28-14 lead over Clarkston in the 4th qtr and our defense couldn't slam the door and put them away. I played offense and I remember thinking there can't be that many teams that have ever scored on 7/8 possessions from the 2nd half on and our team's last offensive play of the game and lost. I guess...

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:37:05 PST

It's funny that you mention WLW's best from the 90's. I honestly think our team in 99 would have had a pretty good shot at knocking WLW off if we would have reached the finals. Now I know scrimmages don't translate into the games but we were physically superior to WLW at their 4 way that year and I think with our QB and passing game we would have matched up quite well against there 4-6.

Who knows though we still would have had to get past Ike in the semi's which would have been a tough game. It's just tough to get over the fact that we had built a 28-14 lead over Clarkston in the 4th qtr and our defense couldn't slam the door and put them away. I played offense and I remember thinking there can't be that many teams that have ever scored on 7/8 possessions from the 2nd half on and our team's last offensive play of the game and lost. I guess those are the tough losses a program has to endure to learn how to take the next step in winning...

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 23:35:29 PST

ftballer67 wrote:
Searn thanks for the recap on the 96/97 SHS teams. I'm curious though as to your comment about if SHS had fielded the team they had in the 90's in the later 00's they would have won a couple a D1 crowns. Now is that because you believe the quality of D1/AA was much better back then than it is today? Also how would you compare the Dakota 06/07 teams to the 96/97 SHS teams?

I do believe overall AA/D1 was tougher back before they expanded the playoffs. It seemed like back then a lot more teams used to play up a classification ... although they had a tough time making the playoffs due to the tough standards ... even power teams such as Brother Rice would have been Class AA come playoffs.

While they made it fun come playoff time in the upper divisions ... there was not a balance ... the lowest Division (Class D) had far less teams competing to make the...

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 13:24:13 PST

Searn thanks for the recap on the 96/97 SHS teams. I'm curious though as to your comment about if SHS had fielded the team they had in the 90's in the later 00's they would have won a couple a D1 crowns. Now is that because you believe the quality of D1/AA was much better back then than it is today? Also how would you compare the Dakota 06/07 teams to the 96/97 SHS teams?

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Fri, 31 Jul 2009 12:32:04 PST

First of all rhenson2000 let me welcome you to Searn's site and the MAC Board. Nice to see some new posters and fresh insight for the MAC board which is still on the newer side. I'm a former player(99/00)/current fan of Dakota an it sounds like you are an SHS insider.... it would be great if you could contribute your thoughts/game recaps on SHS and the MAC Red this year if you have the opportunity.

As far as Davis thanks for the insight. I guess I should have been more clear that I wasn't trying to say he was the SHS MVP only that he is by far there most talented and sought after player who does not get mentioned very often. Your criticism I'm sure has some merit and it sounds like he has some of the same loafing tendencies as the MI DT recruit Will Campbell did. With that being said when the kid is not gassed and motivated he is a difference maker on the inside. I'm sure his size and weight has something to do with his recruiting but there is no way...

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (rhenson2000) — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:58:00 PST

Another tough year in the MAC Red. It will be close with the possibility for upsets every week. If the Titans put together a solid defense, they will be tough to beat, as that offense just has too many weapons. A key injury to any of the big weapons could derail the train in a big hurry. As far a big # 74 being the most over looked Titan, having seen every game he has ever played, he still has a lot to prove to me, to say he is a dominating player. He is a load, but his technique and ability to play a lot of plays in a row at a high level must be questioned. He could not do it last year and heres to hoping he has done his work over the summer. His preseason hype is based on two things- size and weight. Charlie Walker will be the playmaker on that defense, but there are still a lot of questions about if they can stop some of these high powered offenses in the leauge.
Good luck to everyone in the MAC Red, I cant wait for the season to begin.

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Thu, 30 Jul 2009 20:00:05 PST

ftballer67 wrote:
I know that SHS was a favorite in 96 vs WLW. Searn I did not see this game or team but maybe you did. I heard SHS might have had their best team in 97 when SHS had Alls and Tennessee in the same backfield. I heard they outplayed CC in the semi's, but up 17-14 in the 4th qtr Alls fumbled a punt deep in SHS territory that lead to the game winning TD for CC?

In 1996 SHS was very good as well taking down an excellent Westland John Glenn team in the Semi Finals. When the matchup of WLW/SHS was determined it was pretty much a given that Stevenson and Bye would finally get it done. John Glenn had handed WLW an embarassing loss earlier in the year ... I believe it was 24-0, the embarassing part being that WLW's potent offense was somehow held to 18 total yards. Very impressive given the Warriors firepower on offense with one of the top 10 most dangerous high school...

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:18:30 PST

I know that SHS was a favorite in 96 vs WLW. Searn I did not see this game or team but maybe you did. I heard SHS might have had their best team in 97 when SHS had Alls and Tennessee in the same backfield. I heard they outplayed CC in the semi's, but up 17-14 in the 4th qtr Alls fumbled a punt deep in SHS territory that lead to the game winning TD for CC?

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:12:07 PST

ftballer67 wrote:
DVI good assessment. BTW come around more often we need all the posts we can get on the MAC board. SHS probably has a class of recruits as good as the Joe Alls, Mchael Tennessee/ Stiefel/LJ days. As you mentioned Bye desperate as ever to win that ring as his time is running out has even gone as far as to pick up a RB from Dakota that was thrown out of school. I'm sure he has a lovely place at the SHS football dorms err King's Arms apts. The funniest thing is that their best player hardly get's mentioned and that is 6'5 300 lb DT Carl Davis http://michiganpreps.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=98395

Good point on the DT ... sometimes the guys that make the most difference get overlooked when you have a QB closing in on All-Time passing...

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (completehomer) — Wed, 08 Jul 2009 20:08:04 PST

I say SHS but wouldn't be surprised by anything in the Red. SHS should have been at Ford Field last year and return a big time playmaker at QB.

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Sat, 04 Jul 2009 08:47:25 PST

DVI good assessment. BTW come around more often we need all the posts we can get on the MAC board. SHS probably has a class of recruits as good as the Joe Alls, Mchael Tennessee/ Stiefel/LJ days. As you mentioned Bye desperate as ever to win that ring as his time is running out has even gone as far as to pick up a RB from Dakota that was thrown out of school. I'm sure he has a lovely place at the SHS football dorms err King's Arms apts. The funniest thing is that their best player hardly get's mentioned and that is 6'5 300 lb DT Carl Davis http://michiganpreps.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=98395

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (BigDVI) — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 07:42:27 PST

Stevenson has got to be the favorite in the MAC Red. The apartments are full. They are returning their 5th year senior QB, and his favorite target, Merchman(Sp?). They aslo picked up a running back off waivers, Corley, who was let go by Dakota due to undisclosed reasons. Well, actually, the only thing undisclosed was Corley's weed during a surprise locker drug inspection. Look for Stevenson to be the favorite, but I like Dakota's strategy over the years against Stevenson. Bring a lot of pressure, and get your hands in the face of the vertically challenged QB. I can easily see a one loss team winning the league again this year.

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:19:24 PST

Romeo will certainly be in contention. They do have an advantage of playing Ford in week 2 then getting Dakota on their schedule in week 3 after the Cougars biggest rivalry game vs CV. I think G will make sure there is not a let down/hangover from the CV game this year especially after what Romeo did to Dakota last year.

I think Romeo's season comes down to the 4 week stretch of weeks 5-8 when the play CV,Cousino,SHS and Ike. Last year they went 2-2.

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (darin harvey) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:33:54 PST

Romeo and Ben Brown take down power Dakota and win the MAC RED!!!

Re: Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:21:48 PST

It should be another great year in the MAC Red as far as balance and some legit state title contenders. I would not be surprised if 5 teams make the playoffs again. I think Dakota and SHS will face off at some point during the playoffs(hopefully regionals rather than districts) and I like the winner's chances of getting to Ford Field, although MAC Red nemesis CC may be waiting to knock off the top Red team as they did so often in years past. Romeo and CV could be dark horse teams in the league.

Who is the favorite in the MAC RED - 2009

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:56:46 PST