Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 http://michiganhsfootball.com/topic/7255/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html en-us Copyright 2006, Kickapps feeds@kickapps.com (FeedMaster) webmaster@kickapps.com (WebMaster) Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:34:49 GMT Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:41:47 GMT Kickapps Feeds 1.0 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss 60 {pics-1.1 "http://www.icra.org/ratingsv02.html" l gen true for "http://kickapps.com" r (nz 1 vz 1 lz 1 oz 1 cz 1 ) "http://www.rsac.org/ratingsv01.html" l gen true for "http://kickapps.com" r (n 0 s 0 v 0 l 0 )) Search Search Domain q http://kickapps.com/search/direct/ <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34829/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34829
Now I have a beef with how the numbers are cranked out. Clarkston won more than expected over Oak Park, Rochester Adams won more than expected over FHH, and even Royal Oak lost by less than expected and yet the Wolves point total went down (the rest were teams CHS played and should have no real input to the rating for this week). So naturally the Wolves went down in the standing due to the point total mysteriously going down. Plus Rochester Adams is ranked lower than Clarkston, but the Wolves are predicted to beat FHH by a smaller number than the Highlanders. It just doesn't seem right to be ranked lower, but the computer picks the lower rated opponent to win by a larger amount. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34829 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:41:47 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34825/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34825
Massey ratings:
St. Ignatius 2.45, which compares closest in Michigan to East Grand Rapids, which is at 2.42
Steubenville 2.09, which compares closest in Michigan to Grand Haven and Muskegon, both of whom are at a 2.11.


Calpreps ratings:

St. Ignatius 57.6, which compares closest in Michigan to Rockford, which is at 57.4. This would put St. I 2nd in Michigan behind CC.
Steubenville 51.3, which compares closest in Michigan to East Grand Rapids, at a 50.4. This would put them 3rd in Michigan.

Both put Hudsonville's schedule as the hardest by a decent margin. Hudsonville's opponents this year are 39-10. Inkster's are 24-18.

Both play schedule's that are extremely difficult, no question about it. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MrObvious2) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34825 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 12:58:01 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34819/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34819 Searn wrote:

We can take out East Kentwood since they both play them.

WOW .... tough call still ! I'm not sure which is tougher. I concur Inkster has a very difficult schedule, no doubt about it. I just think Hudsonville's is more difficult.

Interesting to me: 2-5 Hudsonville beats EK by 28
4-2 Inkster loses to EK by 19

Didn't see either game, don't know if there were lots of penalties, turnovers, bad breaks, etc in 1 game by EK, but it is interesting.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MrObvious2) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34819 Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:55:56 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34784/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34784
I do agree that Hudsonville has a more complete schedule ... . I would say any team on Hville's schedule could take down MCC and Bay City Central this season....

We can take out East Kentwood since they both play them.

That leaves 5 games.

@ Cleveland St. Ignatius (#1 in Ohio, Top 5 nationally)
@ Steubenville (#2 in Ohio D3)
@ Highland Park (Top 5-10 MHSAA D3 team in my opinion, if healthy)
@ Lakewood St. Eds (OH), good program having a below average year
Ann Arbor Pioneer (6-1) ... rated in most D1 polls

vs.
Rockford
Detroit CC
Lake Orion
Muskegon
Grand Haven

WOW .... tough call still ! I'm not sure which is tougher. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34784 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:58:38 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34782/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34782 MrObvious2 wrote:
Yeah, im sure playing the #1 team in Ohio is nothing...The #3 team in Ohio that they are playing this week is also a Joke....Traveling to Ohio 3 times is easy....A 1 loss Pioneer team is a joke because they play on the east side...image

St. Ignatius I see. I don't see St. Edward or Steubenville as ranked that highly? Did I miss something?

yes

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34782 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:30:40 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34776/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34776 Yeah, im sure playing the #1 team in Ohio is nothing...The #3 team in Ohio that they are playing this week is also a Joke....Traveling to Ohio 3 times is easy....A 1 loss Pioneer team is a joke because they play on the east side...image

St. Ignatius I see. I don't see St. Edward or Steubenville as ranked that highly? Did I miss something?

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MrObvious2) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34776 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:48:07 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34761/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34761 Wrong. Hudsonville's schedule is absolutely harder than Inkster's. As is most of the Red's. Travel or not.
I know you signed off on this discussion MrObvious, but I have to disagree with you. Those Ohio trips are a +@+*#, especially given the typically homer referee calls the Ohio teams get. The OK Red is brutal, but don't discount Inkster's three trips to Ohio. And Pioneer has a good team with Ricardo Miller at wideout, who is no slouch.
]]> feeds@kickapps.com (TNTDyno) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34761 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 09:18:03 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34759/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34759
In the last 5 years, the Red has 6 state titles and 2 runners-up. I think that speaks well enough for the conference. We'd see how Pioneer would fare against them if they could ever advance past the second round.

I don't think it's a bias if towards the west if they are better, which to me, at this time, they are. Cleaned up well last year. This year could well be different, next year could be different. The East side dominated football pretty much until the last few years, and now it's changing.

Peace out. We could chatter back and forth forever. I'll just concede; it's really not worth arguing about it. It will all be settled on the field. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MrObvious2) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34759 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 07:35:56 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34758/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34758 MrObvious2 wrote:

Your post is an absolute Joke if you believe that....image.....It just shows you have no clue about anything east side...Yeah, im sure playing the #1 team in Ohio is nothing...The #3 team in Ohio that they are playing this week is also a Joke....Traveling to Ohio 3 times is easy....A 1 loss Pioneer team is a joke because they play on the east side...image

Pioneer could not compete in the Red. Sorry. Inkster plays a tough schedule indeed, but you won't find a Bay City Central or MCC on Hudsonville's schedule. They both play very tough schedules, the difference to me is in those bottom few games.

LMAO...Well, now I know you have no... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34758 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 06:09:25 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34756/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34756 MrObvious2 wrote:



Pioneer could not compete in the Red. Sorry. Inkster plays a tough schedule indeed, but you won't find a Bay City Central or MCC on Hudsonville's schedule. They both play very tough schedules, the difference to me is in those bottom few games.

The reason they played Bay City was because Flint Central closed before the season started and Central had to schedule a game. Plus even though Central has been down the last few years Engel Stadium is not a fun place to play if you have never been there it can be intimidating. If you have never seen it the stadium is right on top of the field literally.



]]> feeds@kickapps.com (uaw594) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34756 Tue, 13 Oct 2009 00:23:34 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34746/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34746
Your post is an absolute Joke if you believe that....image.....It just shows you have no clue about anything east side...Yeah, im sure playing the #1 team in Ohio is nothing...The #3 team in Ohio that they are playing this week is also a Joke....Traveling to Ohio 3 times is easy....A 1 loss Pioneer team is a joke because they play on the east side...image

Pioneer could not compete in the Red. Sorry. Inkster plays a tough schedule indeed, but you won't find a Bay City Central or MCC on Hudsonville's schedule. They both play very tough schedules, the difference to me is in those bottom few games.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MrObvious2) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34746 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 22:08:08 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34740/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34740 ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34740 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:26:04 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34739/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34739 TOMMYZ wrote:
MrObvious2 wrote:
Just pointing some things out here...

1. Your complaining about Inkster..Look at their schedule..There is no one in this state that has a tougher schedule than them....And them being 4-2 is great..Also, incase you dont know..They do not play 1 home game this year and travel over 2,200 miles for all their games combined...So yeah, they deserve a bunch of credit..

Wrong. Hudsonville's schedule is absolutely harder than Inkster's. As is most of the Red's. Travel or not.

Your post is an absolute Joke if you believe that....image.....


Both teams play brutal schedules this... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34739 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 19:09:08 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34736/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34736 MrObvious2 wrote:
Just pointing some things out here...

1. Your complaining about Inkster..Look at their schedule..There is no one in this state that has a tougher schedule than them....And them being 4-2 is great..Also, incase you dont know..They do not play 1 home game this year and travel over 2,200 miles for all their games combined...So yeah, they deserve a bunch of credit..

Wrong. Hudsonville's schedule is absolutely harder than Inkster's. As is most of the Red's. Travel or not.

Your post is an absolute Joke if you believe that....image.....It just shows you have no clue about anything east side...Yeah, im sure playing the #1 team in Ohio is nothing...The #3 team in Ohio that they are playing this week is also a... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34736 Tue, 19 Mar 1940 15:55:39 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34714/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34714 Just because they play in a tough conference does not mean other teams are inferior..The best team I have seen all year is Canton..That is after seeing Hudsonville and Muskegon from the OK play...Just sayin...image

I believe you. Also know that Hudsy and Musky are a combined 3-7 in the Red this year, so they're hardly the cream of the crop this year.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MrObvious2) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34714 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:42:47 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34713/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34713
Lighten up fellas ... it was a quick observation. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MrObvious2) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34713 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:39:20 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34709/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34709 Just pointing some things out here...

1. Your complaining about Inkster..Look at their schedule..There is no one in this state that has a tougher schedule than them....And them being 4-2 is great..Also, incase you dont know..They do not play 1 home game this year and travel over 2,200 miles for all their games combined...So yeah, they deserve a bunch of credit..

Wrong. Hudsonville's schedule is absolutely harder than Inkster's. As is most of the Red's. Travel or not.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (MrObvious2) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34709 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 12:30:38 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34704/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34704
Such as a few years back when Michigan and Ohio state were both 10-0 or 11-0 ... And both sitting in the Top 2 or 3 in the college rankings.

While I don't think either UM or OSU would have lost any less than 3-4 games playing in the SEC ....

We can't really have 3 and 4 loss SEC teams rated above 11-0 Big 10 teams....

While we can speculate that certain schools would lose 2-3 games in the OK Red, MAC red, etc.... It's purely speculation and very good teams going undefeated in other leagues deserve some credit for beating who was put in front of them. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34704 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:47:42 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34700/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34700 MrObvious2 wrote:
First off, just my opinion. I'm not looking to be a big pot-stirrer by any means. That was my gut reaction after spending about 1 minute looking at it.

I do follow Hamilton, and yes, I think they're one of the teams that could be in the 32. I don't care if they are or aren't really. If you recall, I was on here about 3 weeks straight saying that Muskegon Heights should not be in, but that West Catholic should. If I REALLY cared if Hamilton was in, I would have argued for them over WC.

The teams towards the bottom that I was referring to include: Pioneer, Holt, Melvindale, Holt, Crockett, Ford, and especially Inkster. Not that they're not good teams, but all seemed to me based on initial reaction to be a bit high.

Caledonia absolutely belongs in there, IMO. I would have argued for Ottawa Hills and Holland Christian before... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (TOMMYZ) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34700 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 11:10:32 PST <![CDATA[ Re: Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/34698/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html#reply-34698
Based on the number of schools I'd guess East Mich has less than it's share in the Super 32 ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/34698 Mon, 12 Oct 2009 10:44:43 PST <![CDATA[ Searn Super 32 - WEEK SEVEN - 2009 ]]> http://michiganhsfootball.com/topic/7255/t/Searn-Super-32-WEEK-SEVEN-2009.html HERE ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) http://michiganhsfootball.com/topic/7255 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 21:34:49 PST