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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (pavlov) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35727 Sat, 31 Oct 2009 12:06:02 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35711/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35711 pavlov wrote:

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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't have the right have to live without it, or pressure the rights holder to start producing/selling the... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (applefan84) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35711 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 22:31:36 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35710/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35710 applefan84 wrote:

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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't have the right have to live without it, or pressure the rights holder to start producing/selling the content (or license it).

I understand the basics of copyrights,... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (pavlov) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35710 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:51:35 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35708/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35708 SnoozeToMe wrote:

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To give you some sense of what I do/think about, I wrote almost the entire Wikipedia article on the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution.

I'm impressed, apple!

Here's a LINK for those who want to see your work.

I'm SO GLAD there's a reference to the Schoolhouse Rock song (under See Also at the bottom of the page). It's the only way I've ever been able to recite the Preamble.

Hahaha, actually I did not put the Schoolhouse Rock reference in; I argued, if anything, to remove it. At one time, the article contained a solid paragraph discussing the song and how there was some discrepancy between the song and the actual text... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (applefan84) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35708 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:54:47 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35707/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35707 pavlov wrote:

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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't have the right have to live without it, or pressure the rights holder to start producing/selling the content (or license it).

I understand the basics of copyrights, and intellectual property. Thank you. It still doesn't make me "get it" with respect to... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (applefan84) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35707 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 20:52:16 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35702/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35702 pavlov wrote:

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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't have the right have to live without it, or pressure the rights holder to start producing/selling the content (or license it).

I understand the basics of copyrights, and intellectual property. Thank you. It still doesn't make me "get it" with respect to... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35702 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:22:21 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35701/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35701 applefan84 wrote:

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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't have the right have to live without it, or pressure the rights holder to start producing/selling the content (or license it).

I understand the basics of copyrights, and intellectual property. Thank you. It still doesn't make me "get it" with respect to enforcing this policy. The MHSAA is depriving kids and families and fans of the ability to preserve... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (pavlov) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35701 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:20:12 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35698/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35698 applefan84 wrote:

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To give you some sense of what I do/think about, I wrote almost the entire Wikipedia article on the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution.

I'm impressed, apple!

Here's a LINK for those who want to see your work.

I'm SO GLAD there's a reference to the Schoolhouse Rock song (under See Also at the bottom of the page). It's the only way I've ever been able to recite the Preamble.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (SnoozeToMe) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35698 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:17:31 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35697/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35697 subjective understanding and acceptance of a contractual relationship, but only that a person's actions judged objectively established a contract. And, objectively, I'd tend to think that if you go to the game you're accepting the terms and conditions on the back. You're free not to go to the game if you don't like the terms, and the facts don't seem sympathetic enough to me to say that the "little guy" wins anyway (as might happen if some item in a voluminous lease or insurance contract tripped someone up when they had had no opportunity to dicker over the terms).

Note, however, that I am neither an expert in intellectual property nor contract law. To give you some sense of what I do/think... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (applefan84) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35697 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 15:23:03 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35696/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35696 applefan84 wrote:

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Doesn't the MHSAA have tickets which contain all sorts of small-print writing on the back? I was thinking they gave the schools the tickets to use these days.

Even if they did, can they prove that I knew the print was there, and actually agreed to the printed terms, short of having me sign something saying "I have read the terms on the back of the ticket and agree to the conditions..."?

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (completehomer) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35696 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:24:10 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35695/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35695 feeds@kickapps.com (applefan84) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35695 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:08:02 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35694/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35694 EastGuRu wrote:

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........the ticket is the contract?.. There'd have to be a lot of small writing on the back of that little yellow ticket we purchase at the game to have that constitute a "contract". You can't sell someone a ticket that says "Welcome" on one side and blank on the other and later claim that we signed a contract that means 100 other things

A contract doesn't necessarily have to be in writing. A "meeting of the minds" as to the terms of most contracts is enough. But proving a "meeting of the minds" without a signed writen document...now that might be a different story. Again, I can't imagine the MHSAA even trying to enforce this beyond a few empty threats.

]]> feeds@kickapps.com (completehomer) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35694 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:56:23 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35693/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35693 feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35693 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:49:16 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35692/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35692 applefan84 wrote:

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However, it seems to me that, even given the above, the MHSAA controls the conditions upon which it issues you a license to attend the game, one of which may be that you are not allowed to make and distribute a video reproduction of the game.

That is what I was suggesting in an earlier post. I think it is possible for the MHSAA to claim that the spectator breached a contractual relationship by distributing the video. To do this, the MHSAA would need to demonstrate that they had a contractual relationship with the spectator, by which, as consideration for the right to see the game, the spectator agreed to refrain from making and distributing the video. While I don't think this is impossible, I think the MHSAA would have more trouble than it is worth to try and go this route...and it is not guaranteed to have a court agree with them. I don't think they'd ever... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (completehomer) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35692 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:44:26 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35691/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35691 completehomer wrote:

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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't have the right have to live without it, or pressure the rights holder to start producing/selling the content (or license it).

The key here is "to the extent the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games". If I am the one who takes... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35691 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:39:42 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35690/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35690 completehomer wrote:

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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't have the right have to live without it, or pressure the rights holder to start... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (applefan84) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35690 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:34:30 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/reply/35689/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html#reply-35689 applefan84 wrote:

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To the extent that the MHSAA has a copyright interest in photographs or videos of their tournament games (not regular season games), it doesn't matter whether they are trying to distribute it or make money off of it in any way. This is why it's still illegal to copy and distribute old video game ROMs that the owners of the copyright are no longer selling. The copyright belongs to the rights holder. Whether they choose to use it or not is their business. If they choose not to, then people who don't have the right have to live without it, or pressure the rights holder to start producing/selling the content (or license it).

The key here is "to the extent the MHSAA has a... ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (completehomer) http://michiganhsfootball.com/sreply/35689 Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:30:52 PST http://michiganhsfootball.com/topic/7429/t/Can-the-MHSAA-enforce-this-.html
Spectator Videotaping/Photography Restrictions:
A reminder to spectators who are videotaping or taking photographs at today's game:
All spectator videotaping and photography for personal, non commercial use; and must
be done with the understanding that the video or still images shall not be duplicated,
sold, or distributed through any medium such as television or the internet. Your
cooperation is appreciated.

That means no YouTube vids. That means no cell phone pics......by fans. I understand this kind of policy for professional sports teams who receive big dollars for exclusive broadcast rights and logo merchandising, but HSF??

What could they legally do to you if you taped your son's game and posted it on the internet for relatives to see? Would they, Could they, Will they? Because you know some are gonna do this. ]]> feeds@kickapps.com (EastGuRu) http://michiganhsfootball.com/topic/7429 Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:18:38 PST