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        <title>CHSL down? This is a telling week </title>
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        <![CDATA[ From the Department of Fun With Scenarios....


Pundits of CHSL football have long claimed that their schedules are consistently at the top of the &quot;toughest in the state&quot; list. With three CL teams
playing this week that found playoff bids by virtue of POP points rather than number of wins, this week&#39;s match ups are promising a potential pot of proof
in the pudding.


In the the Livonia Stevenson (8-2) 82.889 at Detroit Catholic Central (10-0) 109.333 contest we have a Shamrock... ]]>
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			<title><![CDATA[ Re: CHSL down? This is a telling week  ]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[ <span style="color:#000060"><span style="font-size:14px"><strong><br>
Still 5 Catholic league teams going, and if a rumored semi-final double header with Rockford &amp; Lowell vs a pair from the Catholic league is scheduled for
MSU I might have to go to that.
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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">diesel wrote:</strong>
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  I don&#39;t disagree with you that CC vs. Canton will be a good game. I just have a hard time believing that a team that was beaten by Liv. Stevenson is
  going to be able to score on CC, or come close to winning the game. I know every game is different, but it just seems like the KLAA is not on the same level
  this year.
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
I know what you  mean ... after having a ton of success in the 2008 playoffs ... Aside from Canton ... the KLAA team have taken some beatings in non-KLAA games
this playoffs. ,,, it&#39;s not just that they&#39;ve lost (since it was to quality competition) but in many cases the KLAA teams didn&#39;t even compete.
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			<description><![CDATA[ I don&#39;t disagree with you that CC vs. Canton will be a good game. I just have a hard time believing that a team that was beaten by Liv. Stevenson is going
to be able to score on CC, or come close to winning the game. I know every game is different, but it just seems like the KLAA is not on the same level this
year. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Searn wrote:</strong>
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  <blockquote>
    <strong class="quote-title">prepseer wrote:</strong>
    <hr>
    They&#39;re good, but they will be challenged by either Sterling Hts. Stevenson or Detroit Southeastern. It&#39;s looking like that will be the Finals
    match-up.
    <br>
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  A CC/Stevenson final might be the biggest MHSAA final in a while ... in most recent seasons the big matchup in D1/D2/D3 has either taken place in the early
  rounds ... or never happened because one power was D1 and the other was D2 or D3
  <br>
  <br>
  It would be a treat as well with CC&#39;s D against the MHSAA&#39;s All-Time leading passer in Stevenson&#39;s Fracassa.
  <br>
  <br>
  That being said I&#39;m certainly not counting out teams like Rockford, Clarkston, Southeastern, etc...... this is a GREAT year for D1 MHSAA football.
  <br>
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<br>
I agree...With that said, as much love that is... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">prepseer wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  They&#39;re good, but they will be challenged by either Sterling Hts. Stevenson or Detroit Southeastern. It&#39;s looking like that will be the Finals
  match-up.
  <br>
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A CC/Stevenson final might be the biggest MHSAA final in a while ... in most recent seasons the big matchup in D1/D2/D3 has either taken place in the early
rounds ... or never happened because one power was D1 and the other was D2 or D3
<br>
<br>
It would be a treat as well with CC&#39;s D against the MHSAA&#39;s All-Time leading passer in Stevenson&#39;s Fracassa.
<br>
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That being said I&#39;m certainly not counting out teams like Rockford, Clarkston, Southeastern, etc...... this is a GREAT year for D1 MHSAA football.
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			<description><![CDATA[ They&#39;re good, but they will be challenged by either Sterling Hts. Stevenson or Detroit Southeastern.  It&#39;s looking like that will be the Finals
match-up.
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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">TOMMYZ wrote:</strong>
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  LOL...I thought they were way down this year...I guess I was a little off....lol
  <br>
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
Ya, I was willing to wait and see but leaning in that direction as well...
<br>
<br>
I saw the CC/Stevenson game on Saturday night ...  and I think this year&#39;s CC defense is contending for a spot as one of the Top 5-10 defenses I&#39;ve
seen in MHSAA football in the past 15 years.
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			<description><![CDATA[ LOL...I thought they were way down this year...I guess I was a little off....lol
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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Searn wrote:</strong>
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  I guess the CHSL did ok this weekend ...
</blockquote>
<br>
<br>
Searn, you might be the absolute king of dry, subtle, understatements. Yes, they did OK. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I guess the CHSL did ok this weekend ... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ <blockquote>
  <strong class="quote-title">Mr NCAA wrote:</strong>
  <hr>
  Just for prepseer, I don&#39;t believe in the MHSAA SOS numbers since a 9 - 0 Class D team is rated the same as a 9 - 0 Class A team when doing those winning
  percentages. Don&#39;t fret though since the NCAA organization does their SOS numbers wrong, too since they think that a 12 - 0 D1AA team should be treated
  the same as a 12 - 0 D1A team.
</blockquote>Why do you two refer to those numbers as: MHSAA SOS? They are simply: Opponents Winning %
<br>
<br>
Nothing More than that! Does nothing to signal SOS as noted above.
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			<description><![CDATA[ I think all four have to win this weekend, two of the four have to make it to the semi-finals, and one has to win a state title. That would validate the
league! You have to bring home the big one. Second best is the first loser. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ IMO if all 4 win this weekend, then the overall strength of CHSL will be (once again) validated. Specifically, it will be no easy task for BBR or OLSM to win.
The other two SHOULD win so I don&#39;t know how much stock you put in that. If two (or more) lose then it&#39;s reasonable to argue that the CHSL wasn&#39;t
quite up to their usual broad strength this year.
<br>
<br>
That would be my answer (opinion). ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Not meaning to speak for Prep. but as a CHSL fan, I don&#39;t think anyone is taking anything away from EGR. It&#39;s a fine program and judging by the most
excellent people I met the year my own son was on the field when St Mary&#39;s lost the 5 overtime game at FF, they are a fine group of people as well.
<br>
<br>
But, the CHSLers have a long tradition of pretty tough scheduling, that often leaves a couple CHSL teams out of the playoff mix that are as good as a large
part of the field that makes it in. So with all of the big four sneaking in this year, Catholic league fans are excited to have a little proof positive of the
strength of their league. That doesn&#39;t always happen and in no way shape or form does that imply that EGR is not deserve the powerhouse status that they
have earned.
<br>
<br>
Prep, in my mind, is only pointing out some of the prognostication that led to my original thread query.
<br>
<br>
Yes indeed, a great team can still have a few coasters on their... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Given enough time and word-space Prep, I believe you&#39;d have yourself convinced that OLSM really beat EGR 2 out of the last 3 times they played and was the
better team in the third game! Look, I stated after the this year&#39;s game that I thought OLSM was a very good team and wouldn&#39;t be surprised to see them
back at Ford Field. They went on to lose week 2 and most people poo-poo&#39;d that notion. Well, here they are after some respectable showings and everyone is
back on their bandwagon. I think all of this EGR-OLSM discussion revolves around one thing and that is that many CHSL dieharders just can&#39;t for the life of
them fathom that maybe, just maybe EGR, is as good or better than ANY of the top CHSL teams. Yes, OLSM&#39;s sched was more difficult and they probably are a
better team than at the beginning of the year......somehow EGR isn&#39;t??? EGR&#39;s schedule may not have been formidable but what did they do with
it?.......running clock at halftime on 7 of their... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Byron Center is not soft. They are not on the level of OLSM and EGR, to be sure, but to say that&#39;s a gift win is incorrect in my eyes. In some other draws,
BC would have a chance of advancing. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ I understand the flaws in the SOS numbers, but they&#39;re the same flaws for all the teams.  Another hiccup in the numbers is it penalizes the better teams
because they don&#39;t get the advantage of playing themselves.  Thus, CC and EGR, with 9-0 records help the SOS of their opponents, but don&#39;t get the same
benefit in return.  Forget the numbers (which do favor OLSM) and just look at the actual opponents of OLSM and EGR.  Big difference:  OLSM:  CC (twice), BBR,
DLS, HP, UDJ, Davison, plus EGR.   Much tougher than EGR&#39;s schedule which included only two playoff teams, plus OLSM.  It had two 1-8 teams and a 2-7 team.
 The White and their non-conference GR area opponents were down this year. The OK White had two playoff teams--EGR and Lowsell.  The rest of the conference was
so weak, these two good programs really got a free pass into the playoffs.  I think it&#39;s possible that Lowell may be way over-rated.  We&#39;ll find out
tonight.  If Muskegon wins big, it takes away... ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ Just for prepseer, I don&#39;t believe in the MHSAA SOS numbers since a 9 - 0 Class D team is rated the same as a 9 - 0 Class A team when doing those winning
percentages.  Don&#39;t fret though since the NCAA organization does their SOS numbers wrong, too since they think that a 12 - 0 D1AA team should be treated
the same as a 12 - 0 D1A team. ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ One thing that hasn&#39;t been mentioned is that OLSM just might have been the best team EGR has played this year.  We&#39;ll know more about Lowell after this
week&#39;s Musky game, but for now, Lowell hasn&#39;t played anyone either--other than EGR.  The first EGR vs. OLSM game was a decisive win, but not a blowout
like last year.  Since that game, OLSM has improved and has played the state&#39;s toughest schedule (according to the MHSAA SOS numbers).  Not only are the
Eaglets improved, but also they improved playing some very good teams.  EGR cannot make that same statement.  The first meeting was close enough that it
wouldn&#39;t take much to reverse the outcome in the Championship Game.  I had EGR ranked a lot higher than OLSM so I guess I should be picking the Pioneers. 
But, rankings are skewed heavily by record and OLSM didn&#39;t have the record.  But, they are playoff-tested and peaking now.  We&#39;ll see what happens.
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			<description><![CDATA[ But then again, as much as a hypothetical EGR/OLSM final is interesting, the question first posed by this thread is...is there a combination of CHSL wins THIS
week, that the CHSL fans can call a proof of league dominance? ]]></description>

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			<description><![CDATA[ From the Department of Fun With Scenarios....
<br>
<br>
Pundits of CHSL football have long claimed that their schedules are consistently at the top of the &quot;toughest in the state&quot; list. With three CL teams
playing this week that found playoff bids by virtue of POP points rather than number of wins, this week&#39;s match ups are promising a potential pot of proof
in the pudding.
<br>
<br>
In the the Livonia Stevenson (8-2) 82.889 at Detroit Catholic Central (10-0) 109.333 contest we have a Shamrock team, fighting to to do what CHSLers expect;
that is prove the dominance of their league by virtue of their league champ producing an impessive win against a very solid Livonia Stevenson team.
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Should that favored team win, the telling games are Birmingham Brother Rice (6-4) 66.819 at Rochester Adams (8-2) 88.667, Orchard Lake St Mary&#39;s (5-4)
59.222 at Melvindale (10-0) 110.222 and Warren DLS (6-4) 67.708 at Grosse Pointe North (7-3) 70.333 With Rice, OLSM and DLS all... ]]></description>

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