MHSAA finals to compete with UM/OSU game ...

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feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:51:19 PST

Credit to Lloyd and crew for salvaging his final season and going out with a positive ... While he wasn't the best coach in college football .... he ran a clean program and brought Michigan a Co-National Championship.

I'm not really sure how whether Lloyd's win against Florida was impressive or not fits in with discussing whether or not RR is the man for the Michigan job or whether he did a lot of excellent things at West Virginia.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:19:58 PST

That's right non motivated teams can put 35 points on the scoreboard LOL!!!! How many points did they put on the scoreboard just last year against Oklahoma when they were motivated? Considerably less than that LOL!!!! The Gator team that played UM wasn't as talented as the national championship teams, not that they weren't motivated to win the bowl game. I learned a long time ago, NFL draft picks don't tell the whole story how good a team is. How many did Marshall have when they were dominating the MAC and in my top 10 in nearly every PR rating system that I did at the time? Not many to answer the question for you.

When was the last time that UM finished in last place in the Big 10? I'll have to read an article to find out or look that one up since I don't recall it happening during my lifetime. RR can set all the negative UM records or goes back decades that you want him to. Woodson says that we have to be patient for another 3 - 4 years today when...

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feeds@kickapps.com (BIGREDS89) — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:05:18 PST

Mr NCAA wrote:

you cannot deny his teams beating teams like Georgia and Oklahoma in bowl games which is what he will have at U of M as long as he gets the chance.

Nice try in saying that RR beat Oklahoma. You are the one that is always twisting words. It seems like teams don't try to win their non BCS bowls games according to you. After all Florida only lost 3 SEC conference games that year so they definitely belonged in the national championship game that year according to your standard. I guess that UM will have to redo their record books for Bill Freider winning the men's basketball championship instead of Steve Fischer based on your standard as well.

What the hell are you talking about???? Did Frieder coach the whole season and then Fisher take the team into the tournament????? Because that is what happened at...

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:19:45 PST

you cannot deny his teams beating teams like Georgia and Oklahoma in bowl games which is what he will have at U of M as long as he gets the chance.

Nice try in saying that RR beat Oklahoma. You are the one that is always twisting words. It seems like teams don't try to win their non BCS bowls games according to you. After all Florida only lost 3 SEC conference games that year so they definitely belonged in the national championship game that year according to your standard. I guess that UM will have to redo their record books for Bill Freider winning the men's basketball championship instead of Steve Fischer based on your standard as well.

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feeds@kickapps.com (BIGREDS89) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:24:18 PST

Mr NCAA wrote:
It might come to a shock to you but RR didn't beat Oklahoma since he was hired by the Wolverines before the bowl game and wasn't allowed to coach in that game.

Are you trying to tell me that the non BCS bowl games don't count? Tell that to ESPN who does the conference won loss records for all bowl games then. So next time that the Big 10 goes 1 - 7 or something along those lines, I can say that they weren't motivated since most of those teams didn't qualify for a BCS bowl.

Nice try on a redirect but as usual you go off on some tangent that does not make sense and you try to twist what is being said to make it sound absurd but you are smart enough and understand completely. I did not say the other bowl games do not count I was saying (pretty clearly) that Florida was NOT motivated to be in that bowl game while Michigan was very much more...

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:50:08 PST

It might come to a shock to you but RR didn't beat Oklahoma since he was hired by the Wolverines before the bowl game and wasn't allowed to coach in that game.

Are you trying to tell me that the non BCS bowl games don't count? Tell that to ESPN who does the conference won loss records for all bowl games then. So next time that the Big 10 goes 1 - 7 or something along those lines, I can say that they weren't motivated since most of those teams didn't qualify for a BCS bowl.

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feeds@kickapps.com (BIGREDS89) — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:51:10 PST

Mr NCAA wrote:

Since BigRed89 said that the Florida game wasn't relevant so neither are your Georgia and Oklahoma examples for RR then. A bowl game is a bowl game to me. So just please have a consistent standard.

Are you kidding me?? A U of M win over Florida in a NON bcs bowl where Florida was not very motivated and U of M was over the top with motivation because of LLLLLLoyds last game and over the top with NFL talent (how many players were drafted off of that Michigan team???) Ranks the same in your mind as WVU beating Georgia in a BCS game where they were the under dogs and did not have as much talent as Georgia or WVU beating Oklahoma again in a BCS bowl game and again not being as talented as the team they were playing overall. (side note that 3-3-5 did not get pushed around by that Oklahoma power running game either like people say it would in the big 10).

If you...

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:32:16 PST

Searn, I do believe that UM has to return to prominence before the MHSAA loses fans over this. One of the ESPN guys said that both Charlie Weiss and RR are gone after the season is completed the other day according to his booster sources. Plus the UM president almost gave RR the kiss of death by coming out with a statement since quite frequently coaches are fired under similar circimstances (it's not 100% true though). Anyways, I hope that RR can hang on. It didn't help RR's case when he took so long to fill out those required university player hours forms (filled in bogusly recently in my opinion since the monthly player hours forms should be filled out daily and turned in monthly if that is how the university wants it).

Since BigRed89 said that the Florida game wasn't relevant so neither are your Georgia and Oklahoma examples for RR then. A bowl game is a bowl game to me. So just please have a consistent standard.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:09:17 PST

I don't think the MHSAA will lose the die-hards ... but I believe a lot of casual fans will choose the UM/OSU game instead of watching the MHSAA games ...

Maybe not if it was the 2009 version of U of M involved ... but if UM can get back to where they were a few years back.... could be tough choice for many.

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If RR get's 4 years ... I believe he will be successful at Michigan.

If he doesn't get 3-4 years .... I think it will be because of off the field issues, not Wins and Losses.

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feeds@kickapps.com (BIGREDS89) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 19:28:27 PST

Mr NCAA wrote:

Just for BigRed89, UM beat Florida in a bowl game before RR became head coach as well.

WOW U of M beat an uninspired Florida team that was dissapointed because they were not in another national title game. What does that have to do with the type of football program that Rrod will build???

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:13:35 PST

Why doesn't the article headline say the 40th anniversary of Buckeye upset instead of saying that it should inspire the Wolverines since there are a ton of differences between the two years? One of UM's 1969 losses before the game came to a nationally ranked Missouri Tiger team plus Bo lost the first Spartan game as well. In addition this years Buckeyes team isn't #1 in the polls either as I do believe that they were heading into the 1969 game. So just too many differences to put out a misleading headline.

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feeds@kickapps.com (ftballer67) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 16:21:45 PST

I think the timing of the article has more to do with it being the 40 year anniversary of the 69 game than the similarities of the two scenarios.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:40:49 PST

Angel Eyes has another positve article for BigRed89 and all other UM supporters:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20091119/SPORTS0201/911190411/Bo-s-triumph-in-1969-should-inspire-2009-Wolverines

However, how stupid does she think that we are though? Here is some counterpoints to her article:
1. Bo was in his first season while RR is in his second season. So there is mistake #1.
2. The 1969 team was 7 - 2 heading into the game according to one of my all time results websites while this years version has a losing record going into the rivalry game.
3. Plus the 1969 actually had a chance to go to the Rose Bowl while this one looks like it will finish in last place in the Big 10. Another nice analogy on her part right there.

So there are huge differences between the two teams.

Just for...

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feeds@kickapps.com (BIGREDS89) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:10:42 PST

I'm not concernced with all the negative bs. In all honesty could anbody have been more successful putting up with the daily BS that Rrod has had to. I have been a fan of Rrod since his days at Tulane and I will continue to be a fan of his no matter what the end result is for him at U of M. I still say the bottom line all the hate he gets is because people are afraid of the brand of football he brings with him. You cannot deny what he had built at WVU and you cannot deny his teams beating teams like Georgia and Oklahoma in bowl games which is what he will have at U of M as long as he gets the chance.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:01:49 PST

BigRed89, hasn't RR set all sorts of UM negative reocords or it has been a long time since they've done some of the numbers that he's putting up? Don't forget that RR supporters on here was predicting a bowl game this year for the Wolverines based on his turnarounds at other places LOL!!!!

I agree with prepseer in that people can always tivo, dvd, or vcr the Ohio State vs. Michigan game. There are several TBD replays on different channels so there is always a possibility that you can watch the replay as well.

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feeds@kickapps.com (BIGREDS89) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:37:35 PST

kaycob wrote:
Prediciting a coaching change for next year, huh prep?

Of course they are. U of M haters have been predicting RRods failure since the minute he showed up at Ann Arbor. As usual all the haters are afraid of him and would rather he just left.

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feeds@kickapps.com (kaycob) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:22:43 PST

Prediciting a coaching change for next year, huh prep?

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feeds@kickapps.com (prepseer) — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:04:29 PST

Anyone interested in high school football will be at Ford Field. You can always DVR the Michigan-Ohio State game. Maybe if the game were at Michigan, some people would go to Ann Arbor and DVR the H.S. game.

You'll see a big drop-off in interest in the Michigan-Ohio State game this year. Next year, with a new coach, it will be a re-building year and another bad one without a bowl. By the time the Mich.-OSU game rolls around, there won't be much intererst left.

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feeds@kickapps.com (TNTDyno) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:51:14 PST

Not sure it will have a ton of impact, especially given the current state of the rivalry. And, like Mr. NCAA points out, the D1 game will face the most impact. You could still watch the game and make it back to the other games, if you wish.

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feeds@kickapps.com (Mr NCAA) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:42:08 PST

As long as RR is still head coach in A2, I think that the MHSAA will be fine. After all he didn't put down the players hours on sheets as required by the university to document how many real hours that the players really practiced in case the university got into a jam that they are currently in (it should have been a NCAA rule, but it wasn't according to what I read online). Plus it will be only the odd numbered divisions that will have the conflict especially D1 in particular since that game starts at 1pm. The D1 fans will still want to see their team in action.

MHSAA finals to compete with UM/OSU game ...

feeds@kickapps.com (Searn) — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:53:18 PST

Will this have any impact on TV and attendance numbers in the future?