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Here is a preliminary look at some potential out of state opponents (websites give conflicting games). I couldn't find out where the Bessemer games were located, but other than that the away and home should be right. I assumed that Kingsford would play their Ontario game based on HSSportsGuru info in a post on a Saturday. I can't believe that Saginaw Nouvel had the courage to schedule 3 Ontario teams according to John's website. It is time for the MHSAA to step in and say teams are limited to 1 Ontario school per year.

2009 MHSAA VS. OUT OF STATE OPPONENTS
#	DATE	AWAY TEAM	STATE	SCORE	HOME TEAM	STATE	SCORE
1	8/28	Washburn	WI		Crystal Falls Forest Park	MI
2	8/28	Chicago ACT Charter	IL		Detroit Southeastern	MI
3	8/28	Ironwood	MI		Hurley	WI
4	8/28	Kingsford	MI		Wisconsin Dells	WI
5	8/28	Menominee	MI		Wrightstown	WI
6	9/3	Sault Ste. Marie White Pines	ONT		Boyne City	MI
7	9/3	Sault Ste. Marie Bahwating	ONT		Brimley	MI
8	9/4	Kingsford	MI		Minocqua Lakeland	WI
9	9/4	Ironwood	MI		Niagara Northern Elite	WI
10	9/4	Menominee	MI		Spooner	WI
11	9/4	Birmingham Brother Rice	MI		Toledo St. John's Jesuit	OH
12	9/4	Bessemer	MI		Washburn	WI
13	9/5	Hurley	WI		Lake Linden Hubbell	MI
14	9/11	Escanaba	MI		Antigo	WI
15	9/11	Essex	ONT		Cadillac	MI
16	9/11	Crystal Falls Forest Park	MI		Hurley	WI
17	9/11	Marshfield	Wi		Menominee	MI
18	9/11	Bark River Harris	MI		Oneida Nation	WI
19	9/11	Thornhill St. Joan of Arc	ONT		Saginaw Nouvel	MI
20	9/11	London Clarke Road	ONT		Warren DeLaSalle	MI
21	9/11	Lake Linden Hubbell	MI		Washburn	WI
22	9/12	Windsor General Amherst	ONT		Dearborn Divine Child	MI
23	9/12	Sault Ste. Marie St. Mary	ONT		Sault Ste. Marie	MI
24	9/13	Sault Ste. Marie Sir James Dunn	ONT		Kingsford	MI
25	9/18	Inkster	MI		Lakewood St. Edward	OH
26	9/19	Mishawaka	IN		Davison	MI
27	9/19	Kingsford	MI		Duluth	MN
28	9/25	Bloomfield Hills Lahser	MI		Fremont Ross	OH
29	9/25	Bessemer	MI		Hurley	WI
30	9/25	Wallaceburg	ONT		Saginaw Nouvel	MI
31	9/26	Eagle River Northland Pines	WI		Manistique	MI
32	10/2	Hurley	WI		Baraga	MI
33	10/2	Washburn	WI		Ewen Trout Creek	MI
34	10/3	Sault Ste. Marie Bahwating	ONT		Cheboygan	MI
35	10/3	Highland Park	MI		Cincinnati Moeller	OH
36	10/9	Toronto Chaminade College	ONT		Saginaw Nouvel	MI
37	10/10	Sault Ste. Marie White Pines	ONT		Evart	MI
38	10/16	Indianapolis Cathedral	IN		Birmingham Brother Rice	MI
39	10/16	Inkster	MI		Cleveland St. Ignatius	OH
40	10/16	Windsor Assumption College	ONT		Dearborn Divine Child	MI
41	10/16	Rhinelander	WI		Escanaba	MI
42	10/16	Ontonagon	MI		Hurley	WI
43	10/16	Columbus Watterson	OH		Warren DeLaSalle	MI
44	10/16	Baraga	MI		Washburn	WI
45	10/17	Marinette	WI		Menominee	MI
46	10/22	Eagle River Northland Pines	WI		Iron River West Iron County	MI
47	10/22	Washburn	WI		Ontonagon	MI
48	10/23	Hurley	WI		Ewen Trout Creek	MI
49	10/23	Edon	OH		Reading	MI
50	10/23	Columbus Bishop Ready	OH		Saginaw Nouvel	MI
51	10/23	Inkster	MI		Steubenville	OH
52	10/23	Muskegon Heights	MI		Gary Thea Bowman	IN
		MHSAA VS. OTHER STATES
		Illinois = 1 - 0	1
		Indiana = 2 - 1	3
		Minnesota = 0 - 1	1
		Ohio = 3 - 6	9
		Ontario = 13 - 0	13
		Wisconsin = 11 - 12	25
		TOTAL = 30 - 20	52

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05/06/09 7:32 PM

Nouvel has been trying to schedule anyone in their area. however all the B, C teams Do not want to play them. If you have noticed that Nouvel will play anywhere in the state. The only reason they have to play any Canadian teams is to fill out their schedule (It is not by choice) to have the minimum games to be eligible for the playoffs. If you or John have any suggestions to get the local teams to play Nouvel just let them know. Maybe MHSAA should make those team play them.

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05/06/09 9:09 PM

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Nouvel should join the Detroit Catholic League for football. It's not that far to travel for maybe four for five games a year.

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05/07/09 4:39 PM

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Rather than play Ontario schools, Saginaw Nouvel should play Indiana, Illinois (close call to Chicago), Ohio, and Wisconsin schools. Another alternative is to play one of my other states on a neutral field. It's like SN only needs to win 3 out of 6 games to make the playoffs based on scheduling 3 Ontario schools.

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05/07/09 7:51 PM

Just a few notes and additions to pass along regarding the out of state opponents. I don't get my first hand knowledge from John's site. But I do use his site to see if his info matches mine.

Week 1: Florence (WI) at West Iron County

Week 2: North Dickinson at Florence (WI)

Week 3: Detroit Allen Academy at Saginaw Nouvel Catholic Central (at one time Nouvel did have a game scheduled against Maple St. Joan of Arc, but according to www.highschoolsports.net, and now the MHSAA schedules, Nouvel is hosting Allen Academy)

Week 4: Kingsford at Duluth (MN) East (listed above is just Duluth)

Week 6: Bay City Central vs Wheaton (IL) St. Francis (St. Francis had an open dated listed on Illinois HSAA for a while, and B. C. Central needed to fill an open date left with Flint Central closing. Not sure why B.C. Central did not try to get a game with Inkster. Perhaps Inkster has filled their week 6 opening with a school that we don't know about yet) I'm not sure where this game will be played at.

Week 7: According to www.highsportsnet.com, they have Big Rapids Crossroads Academy at Evart. MHSAA has Evart hosting Sault Ste. Marie White Pines in week 7, but that game was never on the hsnet listings. We'll have to see which game is correct for Evart for this week.

Week 7: New Lenox (IL) Lincoln-Way West at Muskegon Catholic Central. Lincoln-Way West is a new school for 2009 season, playing it's first varsity football season. According to it's website, LWW will have at least 900 students this fall, meaning it will be at least a Class B school. There are already 3 other Class A high schools in this same school district.

To see the schedules for all 2009 out of state opponents, go to this link: http://up-football.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=11262

Here is my breakdown for games against other states. First number is total games played against that state's schools and in ( ) is the total number of different schools that Michigan schools will play against in 2009. This could change a bit before we get to opening night in August should more Michigan schools close in June. (I did NOT include Evart vs Sault Ste. Marie White Pines in the totals for Ontario)

Illinois: 3 (3)

Indiana: 6 (5)

Minnesota: 1 (1)

Ohio: 9 (9)

Wisconsin: 27 (14)

Ontario: 13 (12)

Last Edited By: HSSportsGuru 05/07/09 8:16 PM. Edited 3 times.

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05/08/09 2:38 AM

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Let me be the first to say I commend Inkster for challenging some of the top dogs in Ohio, but in all honesty St Iggy is an automatic loss, Stubenville is a huge toss up, I think they can hang with St Edward. But we shouldn't be surprised if Inkster finishes 5-4 or 6-3 with such a tough schedule. If they manage to win 7 games (assuming they beat St Edward and Stubenville at least) they should be a huge favorite to win the D2 title, and that includes them probably beating Muskegon if they manage to beat all three from Ohio.

I expect De La Salle to beat Watterson again, Watterson is average by Ohio standards (last few years) and DLS is one of Michigan's best so DLS should win again judging from last years win and them reloading this year.

Muskegon Catholic Central vs Lincoln Way West will be interesting, they will be tapping into Lincoln Way Central's pipeline of players, and LWC is a solid IL program as far as wins, so I assume they should be a decent team in a few years. I don't know what Muskegon CC has coming back but they will be playing a team from one of the toughest conferences in Illinois (Southwest Surburban) so it should be interesting to see.

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05/08/09 12:00 PM

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BTW your Bay City Central game with the Illinois team is illegal even if I use the shortest drive according to mapquest. So they will have to play in between the two schools:

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?1c=Bay+City&1s=MI&1a=1624+Columbus+Ave.&2c=Wheaton&2s=IL&2a=2130+W.+Roosevelt+Rd.&r=s

Plus on the MHSAA website the Cheboygan game is listed on 10/3, not 10/2 as you have it on the www.up-football.com website.

Last Edited By: Mr NCAA 05/08/09 12:44 PM. Edited 1 time.

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05/12/09 8:41 PM

Everything up hear points to Inkster playing Central at the cozy

confines of Engel stadium we should know for sure in the coming weeks.

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06/20/09 7:20 PM

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Gladstone picked up a good Wisconsin opponent for week 9 (I seem to recall this team either making or winning one of the Wisconsin finals recently).

Here is HSportsGuru link:
http://up-football.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=11262

Last Edited By: Mr NCAA 06/20/09 7:23 PM. Edited 1 time.

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APJaguar wrote:
Let me be the first to say I commend Inkster for challenging some of the top dogs in Ohio, but in all honesty St Iggy is an automatic loss, Stubenville is a huge toss up, I think they can hang with St Edward. But we shouldn't be surprised if Inkster finishes 5-4 or 6-3 with such a tough schedule. If they manage to win 7 games (assuming they beat St Edward and Stubenville at least) they should be a huge favorite to win the D2 title, and that includes them probably beating Muskegon if they manage to beat all three from Ohio.

I expect De La Salle to beat Watterson again, Watterson is average by Ohio standards (last few years) and DLS is one of Michigan's best so DLS should win again judging from last years win and them reloading this year.

Muskegon Catholic Central vs Lincoln Way West will be interesting, they will be tapping into Lincoln Way Central's pipeline of players, and LWC is a solid IL program as far as wins, so I assume they should be a decent team in a few years. I don't know what Muskegon CC has coming back but they will be playing a team from one of the toughest conferences in Illinois (Southwest Surburban) so it should be interesting to see.

Inkster will have a fun time with that schedule! I still wouldn't be surprised if they lost to st. edward. They had to played against some very tough teams last year

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07/06/09 9:18 PM

cheeks33 wrote:

APJaguar wrote:
Let me be the first to say I commend Inkster for challenging some of the top dogs in Ohio, but in all honesty St Iggy is an automatic loss, Stubenville is a huge toss up, I think they can hang with St Edward. But we shouldn't be surprised if Inkster finishes 5-4 or 6-3 with such a tough schedule. If they manage to win 7 games (assuming they beat St Edward and Stubenville at least) they should be a huge favorite to win the D2 title, and that includes them probably beating Muskegon if they manage to beat all three from Ohio.

I expect De La Salle to beat Watterson again, Watterson is average by Ohio standards (last few years) and DLS is one of Michigan's best so DLS should win again judging from last years win and them reloading this year.

Muskegon Catholic Central vs Lincoln Way West will be interesting, they will be tapping into Lincoln Way Central's pipeline of players, and LWC is a solid IL program as far as wins, so I assume they should be a decent team in a few years. I don't know what Muskegon CC has coming back but they will be playing a team from one of the toughest conferences in Illinois (Southwest Surburban) so it should be interesting to see.
Inkster will have a fun time with that schedule! I still wouldn't be surprised if they lost to st. edward. They had to played against some very tough teams last year

I wouldn't expect Inkster to beat Lakewood St Edward. I wish Muskegon would put them(St. Ed's) back on the schedule!

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07/07/09 11:01 PM

APJaguar wrote:

I expect De La Salle to beat Watterson again, Watterson is average by Ohio standards (last few years) and DLS is one of Michigan's best so DLS should win again judging from last years win and them reloading this year.

According to your buddy "average" teams from Ohio are winning state titles up here.

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07/07/09 11:07 PM

Muskyfan wrote:

cheeks33 wrote:

APJaguar wrote:
Let me be the first to say I commend Inkster for challenging some of the top dogs in Ohio, but in all honesty St Iggy is an automatic loss, Stubenville is a huge toss up, I think they can hang with St Edward. But we shouldn't be surprised if Inkster finishes 5-4 or 6-3 with such a tough schedule. If they manage to win 7 games (assuming they beat St Edward and Stubenville at least) they should be a huge favorite to win the D2 title, and that includes them probably beating Muskegon if they manage to beat all three from Ohio.

I expect De La Salle to beat Watterson again, Watterson is average by Ohio standards (last few years) and DLS is one of Michigan's best so DLS should win again judging from last years win and them reloading this year.

Muskegon Catholic Central vs Lincoln Way West will be interesting, they will be tapping into Lincoln Way Central's pipeline of players, and LWC is a solid IL program as far as wins, so I assume they should be a decent team in a few years. I don't know what Muskegon CC has coming back but they will be playing a team from one of the toughest conferences in Illinois (Southwest Surburban) so it should be interesting to see.
Inkster will have a fun time with that schedule! I still wouldn't be surprised if they lost to st. edward. They had to played against some very tough teams last year

I wouldn't expect Inkster to beat Lakewood St Edward. I wish Muskegon would put them(St. Ed's) back on the schedule!

Musky, I don't think St Eds is quite on the same level they were when we played them.

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07/08/09 7:12 AM

Add another one.

Michigan Lutheran (St. Joseph, Michigan) will face Aurora Catholic Central (Aurora, Illinois) on Saturday 9/19 at 2:00 pm at Valparaiso University.

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07/12/09 3:58 PM

Per the Illinois HSAA, Chicago ACT Charter will NOT be playing Detroit Southeastern in week 1. ACT Charter is scheduled to play another Illinois school in week 1.

However, Chicago Harper IS scheduled to play against Detroit Osborn at Wayne State Univ, week 1, Sat. Aug. 29th.

Perhaps the Detroit PSL and Chicago Public Schools have decided to have 2 different teams in the week 1 matchup at WSU.

Detroit Southeastern thus goes into the list of schools with open dates for now. Most likely they will play either Cooley or Pershing in week 1. They can't play Denby since both are in the same PSL Division.

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07/14/09 7:08 PM

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cheeks33 wrote:

APJaguar wrote:
Let me be the first to say I commend Inkster for challenging some of the top dogs in Ohio, but in all honesty St Iggy is an automatic loss, Stubenville is a huge toss up, I think they can hang with St Edward. But we shouldn't be surprised if Inkster finishes 5-4 or 6-3 with such a tough schedule. If they manage to win 7 games (assuming they beat St Edward and Stubenville at least) they should be a huge favorite to win the D2 title, and that includes them probably beating Muskegon if they manage to beat all three from Ohio.

I expect De La Salle to beat Watterson again, Watterson is average by Ohio standards (last few years) and DLS is one of Michigan's best so DLS should win again judging from last years win and them reloading this year.

Muskegon Catholic Central vs Lincoln Way West will be interesting, they will be tapping into Lincoln Way Central's pipeline of players, and LWC is a solid IL program as far as wins, so I assume they should be a decent team in a few years. I don't know what Muskegon CC has coming back but they will be playing a team from one of the toughest conferences in Illinois (Southwest Surburban) so it should be interesting to see.
Inkster will have a fun time with that schedule! I still wouldn't be surprised if they lost to st. edward. They had to played against some very tough teams last year

If there is a year to knock off St. Ed it would be this year.

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