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Posts: 2432 10/22/09 6:51 AM Forum Donor |
Good luck to inkster..I just dont think this will be close....And what a great website Stubenville has...http://www.rollredroll.com/
Also, here is a good article on Inkster and the whole Independent thing. http://detnews.com/articl...n-the-outside-looking-in |
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Posts: 1438 10/22/09 7:09 AM South-Central Mich.
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Steubenville has a tremendous stadium, and also incredible fan support. JLC played Steubenville Catholic several years ago at Steubenville's stadium, and
it is impressive to say the least. I said in a thread before that I thought this would be Inkster's toughest trip, and I stand by that.
"The common man revels in HAVING WON. The champion finds his satisfaction in WINNING." - F.H. Yost
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Posts: 158 10/22/09 8:18 AM |
Being from Ohio and knowing the Steubenville Tradition and seeing them multiple times in the State Championship games in the last couple of years, I don't
think Inkster has much of a shot. The fact they will be going into a hostile environment where the Big Reds have not lost in 60 Home Games. It will be a long
ride home.
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The article states that Inkster only sponsors 16 of the league mandatory 24 sports and then Coach Carter wondered why they got excluded. Man up and play more
sports if that is the requirement for the league like Belleville, Romulus, etc. does. Plus there is a requirement to have lights to play football on Friday
nights. So spend the money if the Vikings want to join the league that much and stop whining to the press. It figures that Coach Carter would sue. This is only
going to ruin his reputation. I think that this shows how outrageous some of these lawsuits are. I think that the MHSAA sponsors more sports than that so it
isn't like the league is saying that you have to sponsor every MHSAA sport.
EDITED I guess that I read wrong when this article first appeared since the article now says Inkster sponsors 17 sports. Plus yes Coach Carter you need to make the football field better and a higher priority since that should bring in the most dollars from the fans attending your games.
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Posts: 5 10/22/09 12:04 PM |
Mr NCAA wrote: I agree with you. When I first read the article, my first question regarding the law suit was, did any of the teams that were excepted in to the league fall short of the minimum requirements? If there were then I think they have an argument, but if they all met the minimum requirements, then he'll just look bad. I'm looking forward to this game. I'm pretty confident Big Red will win, but I'd like to compare our play with that of St. Ignatius. We already saw how we compared to them after their game with Massillon, so one more game should really tell us how me might stack up against a nationally ranked team. |
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On the MSHAA website it lists 32 sports as follows for each season:
fall = 9 winter = 12 spring = 11 TOTAL = 32 So the league is saying that you have to sponsor 75% of the MHSAA sports. |
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Posts: 2433 10/22/09 4:17 PM Forum Donor |
Mr NCAA wrote:LMAO!! Yeah, it sure will ruin Carters reputation that he is trying to better his school because its a very poor district... 
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LMAO since I knew that you would write something stupid like that.
Perhaps the younger daughter should sue Harvard, University of Michigan, and all the other elitist colleges and universities since she won't meet their admission standards. She is a minority as well so we should be in touch with the Cleveland Civil Rights division as well according to TommyZ's standard. I just wanted to show how ridiculous people are nowadays. Either you meet the standards or you don't. So where's the beef? Plus Inkster isn't the best basketball school in the league as well since Romulus has bigger reputation than the Vikings and the league admitted them. If the Inkster school district doesn't want to put any money into the sports budget that is their right. No one is forcing them to do it unless they want to become a member of the league. The OK Dokey conference has rules in this regard as well and forced the Grand Rapids schools to update their facilities or they weren't allowed into the mega conference. So this has happened in other places in the state despite what Carter and TommyZ would like you to believe. Just for TommyZ, Inkster wouldn't have the smallest budget if they joined the league so they aren't as poor as you say that they are.
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Posts: 2434 10/22/09 8:28 PM Forum Donor |
Mr NCAA wrote: And how do you know that Inkster does not have the smallest budget Mr.Ncaa..?? Because they are a "bigger" school now? I love how people that live in the "rich" burbs know what they are talking about...Do you know that Inkster has tried to pass millage's to upgrade facilities? No, you dont.... Do you know that Coach Carter has led the school in taking steps to make it better academically? No, you dont know that, But im sure that will tarnish his reputation in your mind... Maybe they should take your advise and go to a detroit league with Highland Park, right...They will fit in there, in your mind.....I mean, let the poor stay with the poor..... I mean, if every league did it the Mr.Ncaa way, the Mega league would never had Inkster, Romulus, Ecorse, or Belleville in it...Because they had to sue to get into the Mega as well....But hey, they are only poor anyway....Make them pull money out of the money trees they have growing next to the school...Then they can buy lights for the field and re-do the field and add stands...Build a baseball and softball stadium that they dont have..Then buy equipment for that..But wait, that is not enough teams...Hell, build a hockey arena and have girls and boys Hockey...There is 2 more... 
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Until the state decides to get rid of conferences and set up their own districts/conferences based on location/enrollment .. ... voluntary leagues should be
made up of schools with similar sports and ideals.
Rich or Poor, ... I think leagues should be able to set their own standards for whatever they want to join a league .... If a group of schools get together and decide that they want schools with a set # of sports and certain scheduling ideas ... they should be able to do so and schools that don't fit ... don't fit. If Inkster actually met the league standards I might be on their side. That said I hope they find a league that wants them. Perhaps they should get together with Highland Park and recruit some other schools to join their league. Inkster - 1,133 Highland Park - 925 Detroit Old Redford - 610 Detroit University Prep - 517 River Rouge - 434 Ecorse - 386 Some area Independents that could get together and form a league.... without even recruiting other leagues. ... and even throw in Country Day if they are sick of being on their own. Ask yourself this ... If not for uniform standards and ideals? Why do the conferences around the state exist? |
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I agree with Searn. I've heard rumors that some schools that are going to turn into 8 man football teams are most likely going to be kicked out of their
respective leagues since they won't be sponsoring 11 man football next year. So TommyZ, is that discriminatory? Based on your standards that shouldn't
be allowed. I would hope that the leagues would do that since football brings in the most dollars at most schools. Either the school is a part of the league
that sponsors the major sport or it doesn't belong in the league.
Based on Coach Carter's attitude all it is teaching the Inkster students is if you don't get your own way that: 1. you complain about it in a newspaper article where it is pointed out that you didn't meet the league standards 2. you take it to the civil rights division Qualifications or admission standards are there for having something in common. Two sports that shouldn't cost so much is bowling for both sexes. Since proposal A passed the $$$ money is losing the argument since the school district is gaining on other school districts. The 30 or so schools that receive extra dollars just got the shaft by Granholm plus I see another headline that I haven't read yet that she did more education cuts today. If you read newspaper articles, you would realize that Michigan teachers are over paid compared to their counterparts in neighboring states as well. Clarkston doesn't have their own hockey arena and has been playing the sport for years so you have another bogus argument. Even the Ohio person agreed with me, too. I read the article in question now and it is 39 schools with extra approved proposal A dollars. Plus if you recall, I proposed a 5 division proposal on here whereby teams would be forced to join the league based on geography. This would be similar to how Texas does it in that schools should be placed in their leagues for two years before a new "realignment" takes place due to the changing SEN numbers. The MHSAA should take the average of the 2 years so it wouldn't be based on one year anymore since there has been major movement on the SEN numbers over the past couple of years.
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Posts: 2435 10/23/09 7:17 AM Forum Donor |
Searn wrote:Question for you Searn...What could that league do for Inkster and Highland Park? It will put them at a great disadvantage of playing much lower class teams...That is what will hurt a team like Inkster this year, yet it WILL give them enough wins to make the playoffs...But it wont prepare them for playoffs in D2 What im just sick and tired of, are SOME of these leagues leaving out the " poor " schools...Even though some dont think Inkster is poor, which is just absurd, they are...They have had millage after millage declined...All the "extra" money they are getting from the huge jump in kids is going towards purchasing the things the kids need academically..Like books and school supplies..They also provide "uniforms" for the kids who cannot afford them...I could go on and on, but you get the point.. Also, so that some of you can know...They have tried to start other sports programs...But 2 things prevent it...Not having the $$ to purchase equipment and not having enough participation for other sports... I think some of you will think I know all about Inkster like I have some affiliation with them...I dont...I read and talk to people from the district and parents...So just throwing things out like " they are not the poorest school" is weak and uninformed... While I was probably a d**k to Mr.Ncaa, I apologize for that, I just get sick and tired of people trashing schools they have no clue about...Maybe Mr.Ncaa was right about the Highland Park thing about joining the PSL...they should join the OAA...Maybe Inkster should join the PSL..But who knows...They are not a detroit team..So there may be rules in place not to accept them... |
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Ya, I don't know the rules of the PSL ... I'm sure some schools in the PSL have to be upset with that organization .... perhaps Inkster and HP could
recruit some PSL schools that are unhappy with their situation and put together a Detroit Area League with some strong programs.
Here we go the D.A.L. (Detroit Area League) Inkster Highland Park Detroit King Detroit Southeastern Detroit Cass Tech Detroit Crockett I don't know ... just a thought. ... are there any other area schools that are unhappy with the current setup of the Western Wayne or the Downriver League and would want to join. I don't know what sports Highland Park supports or doesn't support ... but in terms of football and location I think the OAA would be a good spot if they couldn't find anything else. |
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I don't envision the OAA accepting Highland Park into the league since they aren't located in Oakland County. The OAA turned down both Davison and
Grand Blanc recently and allowed Oxford to join.
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Posts: 84 10/23/09 12:30 PM Junior Varsity |
I'm not trying to be dickish, just curious: If Inkster is that poor, how are they affording to travel all over to play these games in Ohio and all over the
west side of the state?
Can't be cheap to bus all the way to Steubenville, for example. Since it's probably a 6+ hour bus ride, are they staying in hotels? How are they feeding the kids? Or does a school like Steubenville or St. Ignatius pay much of their travel? Does anyone know? Not just have a speculation, but actually KNOW?
http://www.westmichiganprep.com/FB/helmet/Hamilton.GIF
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I'd be that the host schools are paying most of their travel costs. |
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Posts: 224 10/23/09 12:50 PM Forum Donor |
Not to mention fund raisers that are specific to a single sport and/or for special situations for said sport.
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TOMMYZ |
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Posts: 2436 10/23/09 3:15 PM Forum Donor |
Searn wrote: Yep, you hit the nail on the head... |
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Posts: 156 10/23/09 4:41 PM |
U-D Jesuit, a Catholic school, played in the PSL back in the 1950s.
I think Inkster, Highland Park, Hamtramck, Country Day, Old Redford, Clarenceville, and University Prep should form their own conference. They are all independent, within 30 miles of each other, and Class B or larger. |
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