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Posts: 2493 11/27/09 10:27 AM Forum Donor |
Official game thread
So, I forget every year how slow the lower divisions usually are compared to the top divisions...lol 7-0 so far Beal...Beal looks much faster and stronger than CFFP..Could be a blowout |
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Posts: 2494 11/27/09 10:32 AM Forum Donor |
7-0 end of first quarter...Opinion has not changed...Beal City looks like a much better team
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Posts: 2495 11/27/09 10:40 AM Forum Donor |
14-0 beal....Pretty impressed by them so far...
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Posts: 441 11/27/09 11:20 AM |
LOL...TOMMYZ, are you TWITTERING???? Just yanking ya, dude. But seriously, this is all twittering was about. Game threads and scores. Consider it next year.
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Posts: 456 11/27/09 11:56 AM |
EastGuRu wrote: Has Tommy been an anti-tweet? A conscientious objector to twitter? |
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Posts: 2496 11/27/09 11:59 AM Forum Donor |
pavlov wrote:Twitter blows...lol....I do have text messaging now though.....I just did this to get some talk on the game instead of M Joke.... |
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Posts: 457 11/27/09 12:42 PM |
TOMMYZ wrote:Honestly, I never thought I'd join twitter. I didn't even want to consider it. But as the past season progressed, I found myself keeping up on games that I could not attend more and more. Multiple games. Credible sources too. Unlike MLIVE in-game updates. Then I decided to tweet for BG when he was going to be late for a CC game. He ended up missing the whole game. It was easier for me with a qwerty keyboard and I was able to provide more frequent, more comprehensive updates. It also left me a trail to review how the game went too. Honestly, I am converted. |
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Posts: 1624 11/27/09 7:42 PM |
CFFP just needs to do something to take that next step. Not sure what it is but everytime they get down to the finals they just don't have it. I did not
expect much speed out of them but with them being a power football team I expected some tough running and grind it out type of runs. That was not the case
though, for most of the game their backs would just get 2 yards get bumped into and fall down.
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 Posts: 7899 11/27/09 9:37 PM Board Owner |
Yep ... I like Twitter for the purposes we used it for this season ....
But I don't really see any reason to tweet beyond the football season.... other than that I agree "Twitter Blows" |
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Posts: 347 11/28/09 4:54 PM |
Remember guys, this 2009 CFFP was not expected to make it to the finals this year at all.....folks there say this team is not even in the top 15 teams to come
out of that school. Many of the teams that lost in the semi-final round were much better than the 2009 team....that just shows you how high CFFP has set the
bar for themselves and others in Div. 8.
At the beginning of the year it was labled as a rebuilding year (if CFFP ever has them)........even some of the folks there still say this year's team is a rebuilding team...CFFP finished 3rd in their own conference.....they are looking forward to the next 2 years.....2 incredible overpowering JV teams the last 2 years..both went 9-0...both years they beat Kingsford and Iron Mountain on the JV level... Forest Park looked slow in the game because their bodies are on CDT time...they play the game at 9am body time...they have to get up at 6am and eat then prepare for the game after riding from their hotel. how many of you would be your fastest at 9am in the morning?..especially after riding 500 miles to play the game.....it doesn't matter that they left the U.P. on Wednesday....sitting on a bus for 11-12 hour spread over 2 days will take alot out of your body.....it takes more than a full day to recover from just sitting that long on a bus....no way to stand and stay stretched....especially when the bus is carrying 40+ players, and then coaches and cheerleaders.. most folks in the lower peninsula have no idea what it is like for U.P. teams to have to travel all the way to Slime City (er, Detroit) to play. Forest Park would do much better if they played the games at CMU and played them outdoors.. THis was one of Beal City's better teams ever, and it still took getting all the breaks in the game to pull it out. Forest Park was pushing the ball down the Aggies throat on that first drive, then Siler has an unexplainable fumble...and the momentum for the rest of the game was changed.....that one play changed the nature of both teams....Forest Park looked dejected right after that fumble, and then the B.C. TD to follow. For some reason, CFFP missed numerous Defensive assignments, especially getting sucked in on the ends while on Defense.....THat is not how CFFP plays defense, especially during their playoff run in 2009. The Aggies did have 2 fine runners, but they were not anthing spectacular. THe stats of the game were basically even, except for the turnovers....which is the one key stat that made Beal City the winners this year. Still, it was nice to see 2 public schools play for the title in Div. 8 for a change. CFFP has played too many Catholic schools in the finals (Flint Holy Rosary 3 times, Detroit St. Martin de Porres twice and Muskegon Catholic Central twice)
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Posts: 1626 11/28/09 6:48 PM |
I do not buy that hour earlier body clock crap. How come it affects CFFP and NOT Menominee?? Its a freaking hour not a whole half a day. I don't buy it
and won't buy it. College teams travel all over the place in different time zones and still perform. I call Shenanigans on that argument.
NOW Great job by coach Santilli and staff getting the team down there again but they need to find something else to take them to that next step. <a href="http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/marinercoachkk/?action=view¤t=singlewing.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/marinercoachkk/singlewing.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> |
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Posts: 348 11/28/09 7:15 PM |
BIGRED..
Wake up, or put the crack pipe down for a second... Menominee plays their games in the late afternoon/early evening.. well after their bodies have already woken up....common sense should have easily told you that...can't believe I had to even point that out...duh..!!!! Let's see how awake the Muskegon Big Reds would be if they had to ride 500 miles to play a game in Washington DC and play it at 9am...... what needs to change is the MHSAA needs to change the schedules of it's state finals and have the teams traveling the farthest to play later in the day....but, that just makes too much sense for me....why are the schools closest to Ford Field always scheduled to play later in the day.....assinine The folks at MHSAA and all folks on here need to pull their heads of their asses, and wherever else they have their heads and realize this.....the MHSAA just discriminates against the Div 8 teams from the U.P. for scheduling this game so early in the day..
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Posts: 1628 11/28/09 7:24 PM |
It has nothing to do with where the schools are at the schedule has just been the schedule, TCSF played at that same time this morning as does every other d7
school does not seem to affect them. Beal City started that game at the same time and it did not affect them. Did CFFP drive down THE day of the game or am
I missing something??? You look back at the last 6 years and the last 6 title games they have been in and I don't care at what time you kicked them off
that results would be the same.
That is in all honesty the lamest argument for why a team loses a game than I have heard in a long time. You act like they are driving down the morning of the game which we all know is not true. Hell come down the week before and kick the game off at 3 in the after noon and you are still losing to the same teams in the same games. Bottom line is CFFP is slower than most of the teams they have played in the finals and they are using the same old predictable offense they have used since 1975 and everybody know is. <a href="http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/marinercoachkk/?action=view¤t=singlewing.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/marinercoachkk/singlewing.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> |
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Posts: 349 11/28/09 7:41 PM |
First, both Beal City and Traverse City are on EST....they are playing their games at 10am their time..
2nd, Neither are traveling 500 miles to get to the game....Beal City (and every opponent F.P. or any U.P. Div. 8 team would have to play) is less than 3 hours from Ford Field, some even within a 1 hour ride. T.C. is less than half the mileage away from Detroit than Crystal Falls. When was the last time you rode 500 miles on the bus, then tried to run your hardest the next day? I'm sure never so you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. Just ask the Frankfort coach his opinion on just how "slow" Forest Park's players are. I'm sure the Trojans slow play had no affect in that fact that Frankfort had only 47 yrds in total offense and only 4 1st downs in their loss to Forest Park.....You know damn well he knows that the Trojans have plenty of speed. Siler is the 100 meter dash champ from the U.P. so has speed to burn, let alone lots of others on the team. But when you are cramped up from riding (mostly sitting still on a crowded bus), there's no way you will ever be as limber as you need to be in 1 day. I should know, I made that same trip 4 years in a row myself. Simply put, you folks in lower michigan just have absolutely no idea what U.P. teams have to go thru to travel to Detroit....and tell me how many schools can afford to send their student/athetes to Detroit a full week before the game. They are students first after all, they are still required to go to school you know. Yes it is a great accomplishment for Forest Park to make it 6 years in a row. THey don't need to change anything. The State just needs to make it more fair for U.P. teams. The MHSAA still insists on having all the major sports championships in southern lower Michigan, thus discriminating immediately against any U.P. school in those sports. You know damn well the lower peninsula schools would !$$%* up a storm if the had to travel north every year to play in these games. Lower Michigan folks are just plain $+!%%!$ when it comes to this stuff. And for a huge example, just talk to the coach of Marine City when the state was going to put them at the Superior Dome. In this age of lack of funding also, don't be surprised that some U.P. schools begin to turndown these long trips downstate for tournaments. The money it costs them just isn't worth it to the tax payers anymore....Trips are not cheap. THeir fund raising for this trip alone fell $5,000 short (even after the MHSAA reimbursments) and that is alot of money for a class D school to make up somewhere.
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I guess that I will get into the fray. I was going to refrain since I do respect the UP teams a lot. The time zone change is the lamest excuse that I've
ever heard of. I have driven out to Grand Teton, Yellowstone, California, and Canadian Rockies non stop when i was younger and went hiking right off the bat at
the recommended pace or faster. I saw a NFL study years ago that said that it was easier to travel west to east compared to east to west. Both teams still have
to play at 10 am. Come up with exactly what you would do instead just generalities. The division 1 and 2 games should be at 1 pm since there was a boys
basketball fight at UM back in the old days when the game started at 7 pm or at night. That's the reasoning for having both games at that time. 7:30 pm
would be definitely out for CFFP since the players would be getting back home way too late as the MHSAA wouldn't be willing to pay for an extra night
hotel. 4:30 pm + 2.5 hours game = 7:00 pm and the team would be getting back at 3 am or later in the morning. I have been telling you that CFFP should get to
metro Detroit area on Thursday instead of going to Mount Pleasant since it is a ton closer. If the Trojans can't fund raise the money for an extra night
(one at Mackinaw City and the other in Auburn Hills or city of their choice), then drive to Auburn Hills in 1 day and stay on the MHSAA's money. Stay in a
hotel that has a pool to loosen up the players from the long travel day.
For the record it is more than 500 miles from Muskegon to Washington D. C. or should be since it takes me 10 or hours to go to New York City. Plus you do know that the MHSAA one way mileage rule is 300 miles for out of state games as well. They could play Dematha in Steubenville Ohio I think if my memory is right without looking up my notes. Plus the Yooper Dome can only have 10K people and that is the biggest facility up there. Are you suggesting that the MHSAA add expenses for teams to stay in hotels while at the same time limiting the revenue stream severely? Basically yesterday's atendance was over 26K (down BTW) but still more than two days that the Yooper Dome could provide.
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Posts: 350 11/28/09 8:50 PM |
Actually, my DC reference was just an example purpose only while trying to make a point.....and you can actually get to DC before you get to NYC..from
Michigan...
I was trying to make a point on how hard it is try travel a long way then play against a team that has very little travel.... Why doesnt the MHSAA change the start times of the games to: 11am, 2pm, 5pm and 8pm....since they charge one flat fee for all the games in 1 day anyway, they can schedule all the games to be 3 hours apart. IN those cases where a game might go long, THey are only required to allow teams 20 minutes to warm up for their games anyway. IF the state is so worried about how many folks will murder each other if Class A schools play at night, they why don't they schedule that game for the first game of the day, since those schools are usually the closest to Ford Field anyway. WHy discriminate against the small schools by making them play early every year. NCAA, your reference to traveling west then hiking right away was funny. I'm not sure how you can seriously compare that to athletes getting ready to play football. When you hike, that is individual. Football is a team sport. You need all the guys to be on the same page at all times....Studies have proven that kids under 18 are not at their peaks mentally until after 10 am. That is why many school districts had to change the time of day they offered gym classes for their students, due to the number of injuries that were occuring in the morning gym classes. The best response for the physiology of young people needs to have the mental support so that they can prevent being injured. For the record, Forest Park has always stayed at the same hotel in Troy the night before the game for every year they have been in the finals. Call that tradition, or perhaps they get a huge price break. Not sure. Even the band has stayed in that same hotel those year they could afford to bring the band...The first 6 or 7 finals trips, the players would travel all in 1 day before they decided to try to stay 2 nights on the trip. AT least this year, none of the players had the flu unlike many of the other years. Even Santilli had the flu on one of the finals trips recently. In the last 4 or 5 trips, they stay in Mt. Pleasant on Wednesday night (they practice in Marquette Weds day, then travel to Mt. Pleasant)...then they practice Thanksgiving Day at CMU, eat their Thanksgiving meal there, then travel to Troy for Thanksgiving night. I don't know about all folks, but the last few times I made a 500 mile trip (even broken up in 2 days)., it still took 3 or 4 days for the cramping in my legs to wear off. Being 6'4" is probably the biggest reason for that I guess.
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Posts: 1629 11/28/09 9:05 PM |
Actually I know EXACTLY what traveling like that does to you as I played at Muskegon when we were not in a conference and ROUTINELY went out of state for games
AND I played a game AT Escanaba. Not to mention when I wrestled in the service they put us on the freaking Eurail for damn near a month to get us all over
Europe and we handled that just fine.
Again don't give me the freaking time zone argument, you can't tell me that those kids up in CFFP are not used to be up and moving on a normal school day at least by 7 a.m. Eastern time unless you guys just start school that much later up there than we do down here. I know you will not hear coach Santilli go to the different time zones excuse. Thats just lame and I call double Shenanigans on that argument, <a href="http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/marinercoachkk/?action=view¤t=singlewing.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/marinercoachkk/singlewing.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> |
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Posts: 1630 11/28/09 9:14 PM |
HSSportsGuru wrote: You basically just contradicted your whole travel and timezone argument with that post. If they are breaking the trip up like that and staying in town the day of the game then this is nothing and really just a lame excuse even lamer now that you have explained all of that. Hell, when I was wrestling in the service and in the states I was stationed in Colorado Springs and when given a break I would drive straight home 17 hours starting on a later thursday evening, get home early friday afternoon get a little rest and and wrestle against college kids in summer freestyle tournaments on saturdays and had none of thise same issues as an 18 and 19 year old. Thats about 1200 miles in 17 hours and thats more than a 1 hour time change. How do you explain that? <a href="http://s90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/marinercoachkk/?action=view¤t=singlewing.gif" target="_blank"><img src="http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k245/marinercoachkk/singlewing.gif" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a> |
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were you wrestling at 9am, eating breakfast at 6am? I would bet not.
I would just simply ask for you to state the last time you rode 500 miles over 2 days (when in high school) and had to play a football gameat 9am body time? Unless you lived in the U.P., you've never had to do it, so your trying to match it with your personal experiences doesn't wash. As long as you folks say that travel and time zone are no big deal, I take it that you folks won't argue when it is decided to play the Championship game at Houghton, the day after thanksgiving, at 8am in the morning. Let's see how your players react to that. It doesn't matter that the trip is spread out over 2 days, it is still riding 500 miles, average of 250 miles a day.....and no home cooked meals....most if not all is fast food...not the best to be eating when playing an important game. Not sure what time schools start in Muskegon, but school in Forest Park does not start until 8:25am,..gets out at 3:20pm...Most kids never get up at 6am for school days...hell, parents are lucky they can get their kids woke up 5 minutes before the busses come to pick them up. The main reason schools starts when it does is because 75% of the school needs to be bussed to school, from like metro cities like Amasa, Alpha, Mansfield Twp. and the like. Coach Santilli has too much class to officially state that any one reason was reason why his team didn't play well. That's why he is one of, if not THE, most respected coaches in the state. Unlike the coach from Ravenna.
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My Class A boys basketball game included a fight so I should have stated so on the other post.
Quit complaining since the Massachusetts finals start at 9:00 am next week so other states even start earlier than we do and played outside as well. One other suggestion is that the MHSAA could go back to the 1975 and 1976 and go with 2 venues with all games being played on Saturday. My choices of venue would be CMU and EMU. This should cost the MHSAA less since the stadiums are smaller than Ford Field. My only question mark is does Mount Pleasant have enough hotel space plus restaurants for the teams and fans for 4 games? Ann Arbor/Ypsilanti area should do plus surrounding communities have some hotel space as well. Another question is would FSD show the other 4 games on tape delay or the fans would be yelling to seeing them all? I like the current 1 hour between the second and third games to give people a chance to eat. I just went by instinct in listing the games below but they need to be spaced out whereby the divisions are somewhat split like now. Would you complain that Beal City is too close to Mt. Pleasant LOL??!!!! @ CMU 10:00 am Crystal Falls Forest Park vs. Beal City 01:00 pm Inkster vs. Lowell 04:30 pm Jackson Lumen Christi vs. Clare 07:30 pm Orchard Lake St. Mary vs. East Grand Rapids @ EMU 10:00 am Traverse City St. Francis vs. Hudson 01:00 pm Detroit Catholic Central vs. Sterling Heights Stevenson 04:30 pm Monroe St. Mary Catholic Central vs. Montague 07:30 pm Three Rivers vs. Marshall Fans would like to eat after the last game is over since it has been a long day. Most good restaurants should be closed by then except for the casinos and a few other places so it couldn't accomodate all the fans by starting at 8:00 pm. Clarkston starts school at 7:40 am or somewhere around there. I only have the D1 - D3 games to watch. i forgot that Inkster made the D2 final so I edited above to reflect that.
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Posts: 7904 11/28/09 11:42 PM Board Owner |
It's not easy on the UP teams ...
But hey ... those that choose to live in areas such as the UP know their are advantages and disadvantages ... and take the good with the bad. I wouldn't mind changing the times to start at 11am as was mentioned above .... but I'm sure a northern Michigan team that makes the D4 or D3 later game in the future won't like their late long ride home either. |
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