Who will win the most games in 2008, counting the playoffs?
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MahatmaG |
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Who will win the most games in 2008, counting the playoffs? Which traditional CHSL-Central (Total Votes: 11) - ClosedOrchard Lake St. Mary's (6 / 54.5%) Birmingham Brother Rice (3 / 27.3%) Detroit Catholic Central (2 / 18.2%) He is Risen!
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MahatmaG |
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Just 5 more days folks:)
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ez |
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Hey mahat although the speculation is early, and all the teams in the division have question marks I will attempt to take a shot at the question.
1) OLSM- I am going to take OLSM as preseason #1. They return a number of a playmakers on offense (Semmes, Sims, etc), and I would imagine Bulden is set to emerge as a top tier QB. I imagine Fioroni will start at RB, the defense also has a number of return starters. Qustions marks i have for OLSM is the Oline (which I believe will fill out), are any of the Forsh who played JV set to contribute, and filling some spots on defense. 2) Rice- much like OLSM I see them being strong at skill positions with Heneghan at RB, Martin at WR, and Popp at QB. The Rice D also looks strong with players such as Pickens, Benton and a number of promising LBs coming back. Similar question marks need to be answered by Rice concerning the o/d line play. I beleive line play will determine whether Rice is a contender or a champion. I believe these are the top tier in league. The second tier is as follows: 3) DLS- With 16 starteres returining and strong player on the O/D line returning I would say DLS would be able to postion themselves for a share of the title and are not to be counted out. However I have questions as to who is going to be their go to guy on offense. The last two years has seen the leagues best RBs come out of LaSalle, the type of players who make a huge impact and carry your O. The question that I am begging to ask is who replaces oshell? How does DLS better utilize Sinagogga? On top of that return starter D.Pitts WR has transferred, and the D has been dealt a serious blow in the loss of A. Ramirez an impact player at SS. I see DLS being capable of knocking off CC and even splitting with the top two that I have listed. I also see DLS playing a number of tough defensive efforts to the aformentioned schools and loosing all three. Further analysis by Boeing of course would be greatly appreciated. 4) What can I say about CC other than their proably a year away from turning the corner. However this could be a tough year and anybodys guess as to what type of team emerges. Questions marks abound as CC looses the majority of their talent and the incoming crop of seniors looks to be thin. But their is good news on the horizon for the Shamrock faithfull. At RB A Capatina looks to be in my estimation an emerging impact player and may be considered the top RB in the league by seasons end. I also noted a number of big Olinemen on the roster and am curious as to the development of such players as Alamat, Mheisen etc. KLeiter also looked good at WR. THe d has a number of holes but DB S Harding is a good one and I believe Junior LB Palazetti will be tough. A number of tough sophs are coming up including JDagostino RB/LB/SS?, AErickson RB/LB amongst others. My speculation is CC is in the same boat as DLS although for them to win 2/3, 1/3 of the games against the afoprmentioned teams would surprise many, but it has happened before. If you are a CC faithful you hearken back to the 97 team as inpiration for the upcoming season. The bottom tier of course is DC and U-D who are unlikly to make much noise. It seems that DC is heading up where as UD is heading down. Good news for DC could come in the second coming of the AA division. Looking forward to the response of all Catholic league supporters such as Blue, Kaycob, Boeing, DVI, BG, and Prepseer.
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MahatmaG |
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Yeah, I should have included DLS in the poll too. I just fugured CC would be better than them, but maybe that is wishful thinking for next season. I agree with
OLSM the favorite though.
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Searn |
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Tough one between OLSM and Rice ... I'll have to look that a little closer but I'll go with the Eaglets early .. .
I think most have CC 4th to start.
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kaycob |
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ez, your CHSL synopsis is pretty spot on and I cannot disagree with the order but just as in this past year, you could juggle those top 3 and still feel pretty
good that any of those 3 has the potential and the roster to win the league.
I have stated this before, that the top 3 teams all have very good depth in both their incoming Jr & Sr classes and I would classify them this way. Overall roster depth = DLS Starting 22 depth = BBR Playmaker depth = OLSM You are also correct in stating, that for these teams, OL/DL play will be the difference between very good seasons and potentially great seasons. Rice will not be overly big on the OL/DL, but Plasky, Glanda, Maletske & Cherocci are a darn good nucleus. After last years experience, look for Popp to be a top tier QB, not only in the CHSL, but in the state. Offensively, I think that DLS will go as the Martinez twins go. They have proved their quality of play defensively over the last two years, but in my opinion, have been under utilized on the O side of the ball. They both have the ability to be the playmakers that you rightly indicate that will need this year. If they contuinue to run the veer, than Martinez (#7) needs to be at QB. In that offense, he can certainly be the sort of impact player that they have enjoyed from the RB position that past few years. I believe that OLSM fans will want to see Porritt spread the field more consistently on offense this year. The 3 offensive threats that you mention above are going to make it hard for oppossing defenses to account for them and spreading the field will make it that much more difficult. A spread field makes Bulden the most dangerous offensive threat in the CHSL. CC is a year away, but I do look for them to be an effective, blue collar, second half of the season team. I am so dismayed with all that is going on at UD, that I do not have the energy to comment further and I summed them up pretty well in a previous post. DC will make some strides this year as the program is starting to build some long needed depth, but as much as I would like them to be the consistent force that they were in the 70's & 80's, that will never again happen for them in the Central. They ran roughshod over the league in there heyday, with no compunction about wearing it on their sleeves and I don't think their recent slide has the rest of the league feeling bad about it. But yes, it may be time to drop them down a division. |
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prepseer |
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I'll be doing an in-depth preview of the CHSL, among others, in a few months. But, it was interesting to see EZ's early thoughts and the various
responses.
It's going to be a tough road for CC. After making a run in the playoffs, and convincing fans and sceptics alike that they had turned the corner, CC
will need to completely rebuild for 2008. With only one returning starter on both offense and defense, and not a lot of help coming from the JV and Freshman
teams, it appears that this will be a down year for the Shamrocks. There was at least one non-starter during most of last season, who got some starts and
significant playing time late in the season (Anthony Capatina) so I guess you should increase the Off. starters who return to 2. Still, I'm not sure CC is
going to build a team around Capatina. Soph. Justin D'Agostino will be a contributor, but he's young. Both kickers have graduated, as have the
entire O and D lines, all the linebackers and 75% of the D Backs. You don't replace the Mike Martins and Joe Kinvilles with players from average JV teams.
Maybe the younger Kinville has the talent of his older brother. A couple players from the special teams (e.g. Palazetti) will likely get starts. In a normal
league, CC would be fine. In the CHSL Central, with two strong teams at the top, it will be problematic this year--or for the forseeable future for that
matter.
Kaycob: as usual, you have a good grasp of the CHSL teams. I disagree in one area--your depth rankings. I would combine the roster depth and starter depth and give the nod to Brother Rice. I can see why you have OLSM as the best skill depth team, but Rice isn't that far behind. Bolden, Sims, Lavalis and Peruski are four good skill guys. Fiorini is a good TB, but I think there will be a big fall off from Dominique White. It looks like Rice will have a roster of 99 players in 2008. I've looked at a potential three-deep roster and it is amazing. The second team would be competitive in most leagues. The first team, if it can overcome the loss of C. Ray, should be very strong, and still young. Popp and Martin could end up being the league's best passing combo, and they are both Juniors. Bolden and Sims will be good as well, but the supporting cast at OLSM is not as strong as Rice. As for CC, I thought they made a great run last year, but when you think about what they lost to graduation, it looks bleak for CC next year. If they can't re-load at OL/DL?LB, it's going to be a long season, notwithstanding the weak non-conference schedule. I agree that the Martinez twins have to play a bigger role on offense, with one of them perhaps moving to QB. I also agree with you on the OLSM offense. I think they would be a lot more dangerous if they adopted a Rich Rodriguez type spread offense. I hate to give GP the idea, but can you imagine Robert Bolden running every play from the shotgun and spreading out Sims, Lavalis, Peruski, Hunger and Thomas. |
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Blue |
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I like this topic but I do not like how the questions was posed.
It's one thing to ask how the standings will shake out, but the total number of wins? Too many variables. Schedules, playoff draws, etc. If CC gets in the playoffs and an easy road in D1, it could be CC, even though 4th in the league. If OLSM, Rice or DLS end up in an easy region, it could be them. So, given all that I'll ignore the question and respond to the topic. Here is my predicted finish (subject to change) 1. Brother Rice. 2. St. Marys 3. Delasalle 4. CC 5. Divine Child 6. U of D I think OLSM and Rice could split in the regular season as they did in 2007, and I have Rice again winning in the Prep Bowl. I have a feeling OLSM will be the better team to start due to overall talent, but by week 9 Rice should be ready to make a run in D2. For ez, I love the 1997 CC team. - Coming off a 7-3 first round loss - Only returning 1 linemen, 1 linebacker, 1 fullback and 1 db from that first round loser. - ZERO of the incoming juniors were on the Varsity Roster in 1996. (all played JV the full season) - Supposed to be the weakest CC team since the early 1980s (which there were some great teams in between, but anyway) = 12-1 record, STATE CHAMPIONS. Coach Mach said it best at the banquet when talking about his thoughts going into the 1997 season. He said something to the extent of --- "Well, We might be small this year, but WE'RE SLOW" |
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TheOutlander |
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Blue wrote:
That's got to be rare! I can't think of a varsity high school roster that I've looked at that did not include ANY 10th or 11th graders. By the way, any other night WLW beats Ann Arbor Huron and goes on to take on CC at the Silverdome. I have no explanation for that loss.
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prepseer |
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TheOutlander wrote:Outlander: I don't think that's what Blue said. There were no 10th graders on the 1996 varsity. I don't think that's unusual. A lot of teams don't have 10th graders on Varsity. He never said there weren't any 11th graders on the 1996 Varsity. Only a couple were starters however. |
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TheOutlander |
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prepseer wrote:
MY MISTAKE! TYPO I should have said 9th or 10th graders!It seems unusual compared to rosters I've seen over the years, at least at WLW and in the WLAA. Maybe it's more common in some other leagues. It seems like WLW usually has 5-10 freshmen and sophs on varsity. |
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TheOutlander |
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Example
This season, the 6 class A teams in the finals this year (Stevenson, Dakota, King, Midland, EGR, OLSM) had 56 combined freshmen and sophs on the roster for an average of 9.3 9th and 10th graders on each roster. |
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TestPilotII |
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DeLaSalle has 13 players that return for the '08 season that started at one time or another on the Varsity team in '07. If you count the Martinez bros
and Chet Privett on both sides of the ball then the total is 16 returning starters from the '07 team. Also, Zabawa did not start but he played a lot and
is penciled in to start in the defensive secondary. Also, Ben Hayes did not start but played a lot (and is quickly becoming a solid D1 prospect) and he will
start either on the O line or OLB. Also, Beirnat who plays on the Varsity basketball team will start on the O line along with Wilkinson who is the strongest
player on the team. The coaches have put in an offensive set for #7 at QB this year.
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TestPilotII |
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You are mistaken about the DLS D line, Matt Privett and Steve OShell both sophs in '07 started almost every game and Schiuto (Jr last year) started hear and there on the D line. Oshell and Matt P. will also likely start somewhere on the O line, I know Privett has been playing a lot of center in the winter QB workouts. |
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Mr NCAA |
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I haven't seen the complete schudules for all the teams yet. How good will be Warren DeLaSalle be this year? So please list all the schools once again
plus post when you have the schedules for everyone since that makes a big time difference as well.
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Searn |
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Mr NCAA wrote:
I agree schedule makes a big difference for this question .... seems like Rice and OLSM have a tougher non-league than CC and DLS. Michigan-Football.com has some but who knows since on Sept 19, DCC is supposed to play both U of D and Brother Rice according to the schedule listed.
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prepseer |
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Outlander: You're probably checking the playoff rosters. Most teams bring up many JV and Frosh players for the playoffs. They are usually not on the
regular season rosters.
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prepseer |
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My DLS starters were based on my observations of the DLS games I saw (2 or 3). I'm not surprised that I missed a few, particularly lineman. However, if
you start counting sometime starters, or players who played a lot, then everyone's numbers would change. E.G. I didn't count Frankie Popp as a
returning starter, even though he started five games at QB, got a lot of experience, and is slated to start this year. There were also four for five players
set to start this year who "played a lot" in 2007. I did not count these players as returning starters. I will stipulate that the better teams,
OLSM, BBR, DLS included, probably have a lot of "new" faces who are better players than the average team's returning starters. All three of the
aforementioned teams will be very strong in '08. As for #7, I think that's a good move for DLS. I still think the Pilots will need a breakaway back
other than Dortch to make a serious run.
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Blue |
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prepseer wrote: I'm not sure how most teams do it, but at least at CC --- those JV and Frosh players brought up are generally just practice players (that do suit up for the games) but are not actually added to the published rosters. Those players are eligible for letters (being on a state championship team at CC is an automatic letter) but cannot get the championship rings. An exception I believe was in 1995 when Joe Jonna was brought up for the players and performed very well, and I believe there was a team vote to allow him
to get a state championship ring = he was the only sophomore besides Kevin Thomas (who started all year at corner then transferred out to Walled Lake Western)
and Adam Tubaro(backup QB) to get a ring.
The only 10th graders on the Varsity in the 1990s were basically there only if they were going to be starters/contributors. On a yearly basis there seemed to be anywhere from 0-2 10th graders on Varsity. The past 5 years it seems to be common to have five or more 10th graders on Varsity - - many of them not playing in competitive games.
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prepseer |
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Mr NCAA wrote: The Brother Rice schedule on Michigan-Football.com is correct (click on the Brother Rice link). OLSM's schedule is not posted, but they do open at East
Grand Rapids and also play a non-conference game against Davison. For them to match Rice's schedule difficulty, they would have to schedule a top opponent
in Week 3, which is currently open. It appears that DLS will have non-conference games against Det. Kettering, Flint Carman-Ainsworth and Windsor
Sandwich--all easy games. If DLS wants to upgrade, they should schedule Cleveland St. Ignatius in their Week 7 Open Date. The last I looked St. Iggy was also
open that week. Go for it DLS. As for CC, it looks like an even weaker schedule than last year, by all reports. Det. Southeastern will be way down from last
year. London CC is always an automatic win. ND Prep--also a gimme.
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prepseer |
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TPII,
In Week 7 against Rice, I had Todd Culling, Steve O'Shell, Josh Teno and Ben Hayes as the D Line starters. I originally didn't count O'Shell as a returning starter because I had him mixed up with Chad O'Shell. I just noticed that after you said Steve was a starter. I didn't have Matt Privet as a starter, but someone who played a lot. Same for Chet Privett. On the O-Line I had Lamberti, Sciuto, King, Bergen and MacLeod as the starters. I believe King and Sciuto return. I had a feeling that Ben Hayes would end up being a big time player, although in last year's Rice game K. Torzy and Chet Privett were the best defensive players. |
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